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Post by freshnthehouse on Nov 7, 2006 15:49:13 GMT -5
If management decided that we're gonna blow this season out our rear and enter the Oden Sweepstakes, this trade would be a bonafide way of doing it.
BOS trades: Paul Pierce
CHI trades: PJ Brown Malik Allen Tyrus Thomas CHI or NY pick in 2007 (CHI receives NY's pick if its better than their own) 2008 #1 round pick (unprotected)
This would undoubted ly send us to one of the worst records in the league, and getting NY's pick would give us two chances at him.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2006 16:33:02 GMT -5
Yeah, this would be something to think about when we're like 20 games below .500.
NOT 3 games into the season.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Nov 7, 2006 17:21:12 GMT -5
I hear you, Fresh, but JHVOS is right. Its only 3 games and we have a lot of time to turn our season around. But if I knew that we were going to be a sub.500 team and I knew that Oden was surely coming out this season, I would try to get a high pick to land him.
Even if we don't get Oden, there are a lot of good bigs coming out who would be good to have (Noah being one of them).
Interesting you bring Pierce into the trade. He's an exceptionally gifted scorer and certainly one of the top wing players in the league, but I'm starting to think that this team would be better served with wing players who can play above the rim and defend. Against the Wizards, Wally proved how valuable a catch and shoot guy in an uptempo game is. Telfair was honed in on him and on multiple fast breaks, he went straight to Wally and Wally cooly nailed three pointer after three pointer. Pierce doesn't run as hard, or as often as Wally, and this is partly why I think our team hasn't gotten into the transition game as much as we need to.
Once Gerald Green starts getting regular playing time, he's going to hook up with Telfair and Rondo on a number of alley oops This is something we are missing--the above the rim aspect. WIth Gerald providing that, and Wally providing the catch and shoot game, I think we aren't going to be dependent on Pierce. If we can get Oden by trading Pierce in exchange for a high pick, I think its totally worth it.
But of course, we've been through this before. No team is going to trade away a chance to grab Oden, no matter how much I wish for it to happen.
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Post by The Eye of the Q is upon you! on Nov 7, 2006 23:21:21 GMT -5
The only way we get Oden is if we win the lottery and he comes out next year. The chances of that happening is mighty slim. We are better off making our team better and improving ourselves this season. THe rest of the league is competing. It is time we start competing.
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Post by freshnthehouse on Nov 8, 2006 3:01:59 GMT -5
I'm not wholeheartedly endorsing the trade, just wanted to get a little convo going. Basically we have three options: Stay the course, Tank, or pick up a stop gap vet a la Carlos Boozer. I'd roll with either 1 or 2, and def. dont want to do three. The last thing this team needs is another big contract. I still think letting this season playing out as is works, but I wouldn't be against a big Pierce trade we get decent value. Like I said before, this would def. be the year to suck.
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Post by cfoo on Nov 8, 2006 14:44:35 GMT -5
Well, let me just sum up. On track, stay the course, a thousand points of light. Stay the course.
Honestly i would love to get Oden but the chances of that happening are slim to none. If we end up losing and dont get a lottery pick, we can try offering up Pierce to get him. In the meantime I would like this team to either stay with what he have or get a vet that can help this team get over the hump, meaning go from being a sub 500 team to a plus 500 team. I'm not talking about getting a vet just for the sake of staying afloat, I'm talking about getting players that can potentially help this team be a better team now and in the longterm.
If you look at the previous era of Celtics basketball, management made two fatal mistakes. They tanked in hopes of landing Duncan, that of which they did not. And then the young players they did acquire they sold out because they weren't patient with them, ie Billups, JJ. Billups, JJ, Pierce, walker would have been pretty sweet.... Right now we are looking at Pierce and a bunch of potential. Ultimately I want the C's to get the best potential lineup they can, and the best way to do that is to weigh all options, and if we could get oden then great, but it's still a huge risk. Years of losing is not good for young players either. some of these guys need to get a taste of winning at some point. IMO, the C's should always be about a winning attitude first and let the rest of the chips fall into place. The C's sold out and lost on purpose, and failed, and then they sold out and tried to win right away and failed. It's a double edged sword. Good things come to those who work hard and are patient.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Nov 8, 2006 16:59:05 GMT -5
The problem over the years has been that we haven't been bad enough to get a stab at Bosh, Wade, Melo, Howard, Okafor, etc., but yet we were just good enough to stay near the middle of the pack. Its really not a good spot to be in. We got lucky in '98 when Pierce fell to 10, and in '04 when Jefferson fell to 15 and in '05 when Gerald fell to 18. But we haven't had the chance to draft that surefire superstar because we never pick that high.
If our hopes are in the young players, start the process of playing them big minutes now so that they can develop at a quicker pace. Its no use in playing them 15 - 18 minutes a game while we remain a .500 team year in, year out. If we are going to be a sub par team, let the youths play and get better, and while that's happening, we just may get a chance to draft that big time player (like Oden).
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Post by cfoo on Nov 8, 2006 18:55:14 GMT -5
Well we've been drafting high schoolers in hopes that some of them will come up big. Danny keeps saying every time we draft a Jefferson or a Perk or a Green that these guys would have been lottery picks had they gone to college. Same goes for Telfair. IMO we have to be patient because we are dealing with very young inexperienced players. With that said I hope we have the right players, I'm not completely sold that we do, but there have been some positives.
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Post by eja117 on Nov 8, 2006 19:21:28 GMT -5
Saying a guy would have been a lottery pick if they went to college is such a copout. That's just the point. They didn't go to college. So they weren't a lottery pick. I guess that means if they had gone to college Deshawn Stevens and Andray Blatche and Ousminne Cisse and Leon Smith and Robert Swift and Korleon Young and Lenny Cooke and Louis Williams would have been lottery picks too. It's like saying "if that kid hadn't wrecked his legs in a farm acciedent he would have been a world class runner. And we know that because he still became the third best runner on his junior high track team" The only lottery picks are lottery picks. There are no woulda coulda shoulda lottery picks.
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Post by Roadrunner on Nov 8, 2006 23:25:45 GMT -5
One former Celtic, may have been Cousy said exactly what Derren referenced, that the team is too good not to be in the lottery, but too good not to be in the playoffs. And, this year Danny dumped contracts for our lottery pick.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2006 8:44:05 GMT -5
I hope this isn't another lost cause year but, if its the only way to get to #17 then so be it. This team really needs a frontcourt and this draft is full of them.
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