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Post by The Eye of the Q is upon you! on Nov 2, 2006 9:10:04 GMT -5
Chris Paul owned the game last night by driving into the lane and getting our few bigs in truoble. Doc was forced to go small ball and we then we matched up very poorly with West and Tyson Chandler. The famed Linton Johnson kicked our !!!GREENIAC!!! in the 1st half and the game was lost going into halftime.
In the 2nd half, Paul Pierce tried to rally the troops by taking over the game and even he made dumb decisions out there not really giving this team a chance to win.
In all honesty, this one is on the coach. The team looks poorly prepared to start the season and Doc should have been replaced in the summer. Heck, if I were the owner, I would have hired KC Jones - GM and Robert Parish and Dennis Johnson coaches and retain Ainge and Chis Wallace as talent scouts. And as owner, I would not be bothered with Greg Dickerson shoving a microphone in my face trying to get a word while there was a game to be played. But this is not my show.
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Post by eddietours on Nov 2, 2006 9:15:54 GMT -5
ok am very disappointed hell yeah but how much can a team get done with doc who cant see what the other team is doing jesus on a night like this come on guys you just cant be flat now is just one game lets give the team time l still have my cool aid on the table and doc please if you see nothing is working just try green for the hell of it.
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Post by FLCeltsFan on Nov 2, 2006 13:58:32 GMT -5
I agree that this one (and probably several more before the year is up) is on Doc. He never set a rotation and the starting lineup he comes out with on opening night is one that never played together during the preseason and didn't practice together (because Delonte has been out of practice with the back flareup.
He doesn't have a clue on how to coach defense. 4 days before the opener, he was trying to teach them 3 NEW defensive sets. This is AFTER all the preseason games have been played and wouldn't give them enough time to be comfortable with them before the game.
He has all of these defensive sets he talks about, but they must be too complicated for them to understand and implement, because we haven't seen a single one in a game. We still can't defend the pick and roll.
Doc over coaches. When they got on Telfair for looking for Pierce every time down he said "That's the play that was called." Ok. Doc calls a play for Pierce every time down and then complains when they go to Pierce every time? Am I missing something? He needs to let the team play and let the PGs create instead of trying to institute a multitude of offensive sets and plays. Maybe if we had just a could good defensive schemes and learn to execute them, then our defense wouldn't stink.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Nov 2, 2006 15:03:36 GMT -5
Exactly right, FL. You could see that the players were hellbent on executing a play, when it just wasn't there to make. They were trying to force a pass to Pierce when it was totally blocked off. And because the play was for Pierce to receive the ball at the high post, everyone else stood around until the ball was delievered into Paul's hand. But because both defenders were swarming around him, the ball could not be delivered--but since that play was called for, that's all the players were allowed to do.
That's overcoaching, and that's not utilizing the Telfair's and Rajon's strenghts as creative playmakers. Red kept it simple and allowed the players to play. Doc needs to learn this.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2006 16:09:12 GMT -5
From what I saw on TV, Chris Paul did whatever he wanted against our young guys. Both Telfair and Rondo have much to learn to become elite pgs in this game.
Small Ball = bad idea Sorry PP, you aren't shawn Marion go back to SF where you dominate 95% the league at. And Telfair, you need to get the offense running not try to get yourself in the game.
Al looked good besides the chippy fouls they got on him. I could seriously see Al being put at starting center over Perkins. I rather have both players on the court but thats my opinion
Tony Allen should never dribble the ball at all.
West will do better than he did last night
Finally, Doc Rivers must be very stubborn and a good politician because when he says he gonna run the ball I expect running to be involved. Not the complete opposite. I'm kind at the point I don't believe half the stuff comes out of his mouth.
SERIOUSLY, Doc, you can't have a utempo offense when you run iso between paul and Wally. Keep your word or just leave for someone who will implement his plan.
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Post by greenblood on Nov 2, 2006 16:23:52 GMT -5
Doc is awful, period! The preseason practices are for evaluating players to establish a rotation, and the preseason games are for allowing said rotation to develop chemistry. For Christ's sake, Doc is still evaluating players...in regular season games. Of course, traveling back and forth to Florida every other day makes it tough to evaluate.
And, I know I will hear all the excuses about the injuries during the preseason, but Doc knew that PP, Wally, and Telfair were going to start. He also should have had a pretty good idea about Gomes starting at PF (which he of course he didn't last night, so that Delonte could end up defending the 6'7 Peja Stoyakavich) after knowing Al was coming off surgery. All this nonsense from Rivers about a set rotation being over rated..what is that crap? Ever notice every decent team in the league, including Pheonix who goes 10 deep every night, has a set rotation.
Another issue Doc has is his ability, or lack thereof, to put the best players on the floor. How can he look himself in the mirror when Tony Allen plays 20 minutes and GG plays 0. Especially on a night when the offense is struggling and your trying to establish a running game. If nothing else, GG loves to get out on the wing and beat his man down the floor so that he can end up on another Sportcenter "Top 10". Tony Allen likes to dribble up the middle of the floor, pretending to be a point guard, then creating a turnover either with a dumb pass or a charge.
The only positives from Doc's decsions last night were letting Al play through foul trouble, keeping Delonte in the lineup (because he should be a major part of the rotation, though as a sixth man), and....well that's it. With any luck, Doc will be gone by the trading deadline...maybe we can package him with some young guys to get a Garnett or Brand.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Nov 2, 2006 17:00:11 GMT -5
Hey there, GB. Good to hear from you. Looks like Doc has yet another fan who is unhappy with his coaching. He's definitely on a short leash, especially since this season is dedicated to Red. If we aren't winning in a couple of weeks, Doc is gone.
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Post by esco33 on Nov 2, 2006 23:49:24 GMT -5
All I know is that we will NOT win many games with that lineup. I really do not have much to say on the subject. That lineup is awful.
Keep West on the bench as a combo/scoring guard and either start Al or Gomes at the 4 for rebounding, height, defense, and toughness. Wally/Paul cannot be playing the 4.
I understand Doc trying to "outmatch" the other team's lineups by switching his own lineup around, but it doesn't work. There is no consistency, and guys will have a difficult time forming any type of chemistry playing with different guys every night.
This team needs consistency and the formation of roles, not pick names from a hat and see who starts tonight.
I have a feeling that Ainge will soon make another one of his early in the season trades bundling up 2, 3, or even 4 young guys for an "established" player and/or expiring contracts.
They need to get an established starting lineup and just roll with it. There is a reason that the elite teams in the league practically always have the same starting lineups year after year.
Granted, the elite teams have multiple elite players, but you have to start somewhere.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Nov 3, 2006 1:27:34 GMT -5
Very good points, Esco and right on the mark. Gave you a karma point for that one.
I'm really hoping Doc uses Jefferson, Gomes, Pierce, Rajon and Telfair. Delonte should be coming off the bench. I like this lineup because it gives us speed, athleticism, smarts, rebounding and an inside/outside game, plus a lot of penetrating. To me, this is the most effective lineup we can put out there to do what we are trying to do.
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Post by sprash98 on Nov 3, 2006 11:22:20 GMT -5
What happened was the same old BS we have seen with Doc the last two years. The guy blows. He is a good offensive coach, at times, and has no business being a head coach. he is outsmarted, out witted and out thought by every coach in the league. We are the laughing-stock of the NBA because we have a coach who knows as much about coaching as I do about the Mandarin script. And I still dont understand why Ainge wont can his !!!GREENIAC!!!. There is something going on here that smells real fishy. The team doesnt have a half-court offense, half-court defense, cant rebound and doesnt know how to fast-break. So tell me, what EXACTLY has Doc taught them??
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Post by FLCeltsFan on Nov 3, 2006 12:40:37 GMT -5
When they were questioning Telfair in the post game and asked him why they went to Pierce every time down he said... "That was the play that was called."
If Doc is calling plays for Pierce everytime down, which of our young kids do you see defying Doc and going against the called play?
We hear Doc talk about our running game all the time, but i haven't seen it. Even Cousy called it our alleged transition game and said he hasn't seen it.
In a true transition game, the ball is advanced down the court with passes and dribbling is kept to a minimum. Yet we see players dribbling up the court and dribbling around all the time. The coaching has done nothing to alter that.
In a true transition game, the player closest to the ball takes it out of bounds and gets it in quickly but Doc insists on having the bigs take it out, even if they have to run from the other end of the court to do so.
In a true transition game, the team runs after every made basket and on every rebound. We do neither consistently. We do see this occasionally but not on every one. When Pierce, West, Tony, etc get the ball often they take off dribbling with it instead of looking upcourt for a good outlet pass. The only player who consistently looks upcourt and sends good outlook passes almost every time is Perk.
All of these facts point to a break down in coaching. We have players who are both willing and able to run on every possession, yet they aren't being coached to do so.
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Post by Roadrunner on Nov 4, 2006 11:16:30 GMT -5
The team needs to be judged when we play these type of teams the second time around. Lot of young players. Lot of learning.
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