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Post by DERRENMATTS on Aug 8, 2006 1:49:47 GMT -5
The Bulls had Michael and Scottie. The Heat had Shaq and Wade. The Lakers had Magic and Kareem, and a decade later they had Shaq and Kobe. The Rockets had the Glide and the Dream. The Spurs had the twin towers Duncan and Robinson. Of course, there were championship teams that had more than 2 stars, like our very own trio of Bird, McHale and Parish, the Bulls with Jordan, Pippen and Rodman (or Horace), and the Spurs with Duncan, Manu and Parker.
If you had to pick a 2 star combination, using our current roster, who do you feel will be the other star opposite of Pierce? Or could we have our modern day Big Three?
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Post by freshnthehouse on Aug 8, 2006 4:24:07 GMT -5
I'd like to be AlJeff because we need someone to be a low post threat.
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Post by FLCeltsFan on Aug 8, 2006 5:52:03 GMT -5
The Big 3... Pierce Jefferson and Perk.... Or Perk Jefferson and Green....
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Post by eja117 on Aug 8, 2006 8:53:06 GMT -5
The two stars it could be would be GG and PP, but I'm not sure they could play together. I could see the possibility of Gomes, PP or Gomes, GG, or maybe even Gomes, Rondo or Gomes Perk.
I could see Perk, GG
If it's three I think it could be GG. PP, and either Perk, Al, or Gomes. Whoever rebounds, gets blocks, and sometimes dominates the paint. It's not as important to dominate as to not get dominated.
There are a lot of possibilities, and one is that PP will be too old before there can be another star. Just playing chemistry here.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Aug 8, 2006 21:51:07 GMT -5
If Ainge keeps these players together and allows them enough time to develop, and if Doc actually allows them to play, I think we have a really good chance to have a trio of star players (or players who are near star level)
SG- Pierce SF- Gerald PF- Jefferson
Pierce is already an All-NBA performer (currently a 3rd team, borderline 2nd team). Gerald, in a few years, with continued upward development, can be a star level player. Same with Jefferson. He and Gerald both have the upside on the offensvie end, but will need to prove consistently that they can play at a high level.
What is really fun to think about is the players at the other 2 positions. Perkins has the making to be a solid Center. With his rugged body and fierce style of play, if he learns to stay away from ticky tack fouls, he can very well average 10 rpg and block 2 shots per game.
Either Telfair or Rajon Rondo will be our starting PG and whoever wins this competition will certainly be a high quality PG. Telfair has a star-like personality and he's grown up in the limelight, and if he plays to his capabilities, he will be an All-Star, or close to being one. Rajon has everything in his arsenal to be a high quality player--except for a jumper. If he works his tail off to get a consistent jumper, he's going to be a stud.
This starting 5 could be incredibly hard to stop if these players develop their games. They can score inside, off of penetrations, midrange, and from behind the arc. And we combine athleticism and quickness with some muscle and moxie. It will take at least 3 years, but if they are developing along the way, it'll be fun to watch the improvements.
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Post by freshnthehouse on Aug 9, 2006 0:09:17 GMT -5
What may fit our current situation better than a 2 HOFer team is a late 80s early 90s portland trailblazers team. They had one star wing, and serveral other very good players with really good depth. They didnt win any titles, but they were right there in the think of things. Nowadays that Blazer team would def. have a title or two IMO.
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Post by eja117 on Aug 9, 2006 10:26:38 GMT -5
One thing that gets me about our supposed future stars is that our stars migh not look like stars next to the stars on other teams. There are several young teams that look just as starish as ours, if not a lot more, and whatever team gets Oden or Durant next year will join the club. I am getting really nervous that what if GG doesn't become a star. What if he only becomes the next Jason Richardson, and in the mean time we trade away the criminal TA and he becomes the next Richard Jefferson. You can't think of these things. You have to play with what brought you
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2006 15:40:18 GMT -5
I don't know about you but if he becomes the next jason richardson I would be very happy. I dunno if you ever seen Richardson play but he's more than a Dunk contest wonder. Definitely one of the better SGs in the nba.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Aug 9, 2006 18:00:50 GMT -5
Definitely, JHVOS. J-Rich is nothing to sneeze at. Last year, he put up 23, 6 and 3.
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Post by eja117 on Aug 9, 2006 19:09:45 GMT -5
J Rich is good. His shooting % is good. All his stats are good, except his FT%, but i don't think he's an all star. Let me throw out more names. In no order Quinton Richardson - uh yeah that's who I meant Ricky Davis Desmond Mason Bobby Simmons DeShawn Stevenson Hedo Turkoglu Qyntel Woods minus the insanity Kareem Rush Corey Maggette Flip Murray Cutino Mobley Penny Hardaway Derek Anderson Jalen Rose
See what I mean? Guys with talent. Good but not great. 2nd tier guys. Good backups on good teams. Guys that started great but faded. just that kind of thing. I'm thinking in terms of GG being one of the greatest players the world has ever seen or at least of his era. Not these guys. I'll settle for multiple all-star appearances and a few all-nba teams, but if he turns out to be one of these guys I'll be disappointed
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Post by Roadrunner on Aug 9, 2006 22:55:10 GMT -5
Looking into my crystal ball, I like the tandem of G2 and Telfair to join P2 to make a trifecta.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2006 0:33:44 GMT -5
I have high hopes for Telfair to come to his own. Not so much for Gerald. Unless Wally or Pierce gets traded down the road. It's alot easier to become a strong player in this league when teams allow their young guys to go through the growing pains and not sit and watch others do it.
In other words, Doc, you need to start guys whose here for the long haul. Stop playing favorite with undeserving veterans.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Aug 14, 2006 4:09:24 GMT -5
Doc needs to get Gerald minutes so that GG continues to improve his game. He can't, or must not, stand in Gerald's way if Gerald is proving that he can play more minutes. If he needs to sit Wally more during games, so be it. Let Wally rest and keep that knee healthy.
But at the same time, if Gerald is getting killed out there, its nice to know that we don't have to force him to play. We have Delonte to step in and play Gerald's minutes if he's going through a stretch where he's playing poorly. He has to earn his playing time, just like everyone else (though Doc does seem to have trouble rewarding players for earning playing time).
At some point, its inevitable that we will be trading at least one of our wing players. We just have too many out there--Pierce, Wally, Gerald, Delonte, Tony and Ray. All we really need are 3 really good ones in the regular rotation, and 1 to play spot minutes in case of foul trouble or injuries.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Aug 19, 2006 19:29:46 GMT -5
I don't know if you all have read this yet, but it was put on over at NBADraft.net in their articles section. I really recommend you reading it because it opens your eyes to the thought that its significantly harder to win a championship title without having at least 1 superstar on the team. www.nbadraft.net/mcchesney001.aspHere's a snipit of what the article goes over: On July 25 RealGM published my piece, The SuperDuperStar Theory, in which I demonstrated that in the NBA, unlike other professional team sports, teams almost never win titles unless they have one of the five best players in the game on their roster, what I now call Gold Medal Superstars. In short, if you made a list of the 20 top players in NBA history, you would find that they account for an extraordinarily high percentage of championship teams.
To some extent this is a no-brainer: Shaq, Duncan, Jordan, Bird, Magic and Olajuwon led teams account for 23 of the past 27 NBA titles. (Dr. J, Moses Malone, Isiah Thomas and Ben Wallace led the other four, and they are hardly stumble-bums.)
We have Pierce, who I don't consider a superstar (I reserve this title for the very best, like Jordan, Bird, Magic, etc.). I see him as a star player, but not a superstar. Other than Pierce, we have a lot of young players who could be really solid players, and then we have Gerald and Jefferson, whom we are hoping will turn out to be star level players in the near future. From what Walter McChesney points to, almost every championship team in the past 2 decades have had at least 1 superstar player (the Pistons won without having a superstar player, but they appear to be an anomoly). Basically, if we are looking long and hard at ourselves, if Jefferson and Gerald don't turn out to be star players, our chances of winning a title are stacked against us. We won't win with just Pierce because he's not a superstar. Now I can sort of see why that an Iverson trade could have possibly been in the works. Now I can see why Ainge was hellbent on making a big move this summer (we heard all sorts of rumors/talks right around draft time and shortly thereafter). In order for us to have a good chance at winning a title, we need to have the league's top players on the team. If we don't have the Shaqs, the Garnetts, the Duncans, the Lebrons, the Kobes, the Nashs, etcl, playing alongside of Pierce, our chances don't look good statistically. If Pierce, Jefferson and Gerald all are star players, I can see us being an exception to the rule of winning only if you have superstar players on your team. But if Jefferson and Gerald are short of being star players, I'm not quite as sure of our chances of winning a title (unlessf the league becomes watered down).
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