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Post by FLCeltsFan on Jul 24, 2006 23:00:04 GMT -5
Just saw this on CelticsBlog Either King has truly decided not to trade him because he couldn't get what he wanted for him or this is yet another smoke screen. But at least for now, it seems that AI is staying in Philly. Hopefully Danny is trying to find a deal for another big somewhere or else will roll the dice with what we have to see how this team shapes up before giving any of them away. I still expect a trade though because Danny signed extra players that we really didn't need and I can't help but think they are to replace those he plans to trade. celticsblog.net/blog/?p=2055
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2006 1:28:29 GMT -5
AI will be leaving philly sooner than later. If he isn't trade by the start of the season. I would expect to be traded around the all-star break where King will receive alot less for him than he's getting right now. Possibly another VC situation could occur.
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Post by BCHISTORIAN on Jul 25, 2006 1:29:52 GMT -5
thank god he's not coming here for the best of our youngsters
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jul 25, 2006 3:02:50 GMT -5
AI will be traded at some point this summer, but thankfully, he won't be coming here. I think Ainge sees what may happen here if he waits for the young guys to develop and gain chemistry with one another. The summer league was a lot of fun and it showed him a lot of good things, even if we didn't do as well as we would have liked.
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Post by The Eye of the Q is upon you! on Jul 25, 2006 12:32:17 GMT -5
We need to keep our talent and reassess the situation later. IE we should not be making a deal for a big name. I put the onus on Doc Rivers to do his job.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jul 25, 2006 16:12:09 GMT -5
I don't mind if we make a trade for a big name--as long as we don't have to part with Jefferson or Gerald. I am willing to part with Gomes and Delonte, if need be. to bring in a key component to help us get over the hump (a big man preferably)
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Post by eja117 on Jul 25, 2006 16:42:27 GMT -5
DMatts i don't get it. I would think you would want to trade Al j for just about any all star big or any big who isn't an all star but has as much pword as him. That's a lot of bigs i'd think you'd go for. For example. Doesn't Gooden have just as much pword to be an all star as Al J and much sooner? What about some random young bigs. Sean May? TT? Alridge? What about someone like Tyson Chandler or Kwame Brown, or Curry? I'm not talking about some guy like Kris Humphries, but geeze. I'm not even talking about a guy who also hasn't really showed anything like Marvin Williams, although he totally showed up in a big way at summer league.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jul 25, 2006 16:56:22 GMT -5
The way I see it, Al Jefferson could become a better player than Drew Gooden. There's no certainty that this will happen, but the idea of trading him away doesn't sit well with me. I would trade Jefferson away for young PF"s I don't think Jefferson will surpass:
Amare Stoudemire Dwight Howard
I could possibly add Ike Diogu to this list. I like him that much. He's a warrior and will emerge this season for Golden State.
I would trade Jefferson for these guys because I believe these guys will always be better than Jefferson. But trading Jefferson for Drew Gooden doesn't get my immediate approval. If Ainge pulls the trigger on a trade that sends Al to Cleveland for Gooden, it wouldn't devastate me because at least we are getting a young and talented PF in return. But I wouldn't think its a no brainer trade to do because I feel that Jefferson could surpass Gooden eventually.
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Post by eja117 on Jul 25, 2006 17:47:40 GMT -5
holding a degree in an economic field I think a lot of fans don't take into account opportunity costs. For example. It makes no sense at all in the NBA to keep a guy on the roster for say 6 years with him not playing well even if it were guaranteed that he would become an All Star, because the opportunity cost is that he gets paid and takes up valuable roster space that whole time that could be used differently. if you don't draft a big man 6 years in a row, or if you get rid of a guy like Gomes cause you KNOW (and we don't know) a guy will be good you lose a really valuable asset. Your assets are tied up too long. Like basically lthe last two years we didn't draft a big cause of him (except Gomes).
Another thing people don't take into account is the break even point or time value of assets. Like how much would you pay today for 1 million 6 years from now. For example. It would be better to have Elton Brand for four years, rather than wait four years for a Jermaine ONeal. Waiting has a big cost. Snap judgements are totally underrated. By the time you get where you were supposed to be your chance has passed you by cause everyone else made more aggressive judgements and investments. Al J is in the investment world a junk bond. He has a high rate of interest but also a long time to maturity and a high rate of default and there are tons of other junk bonds out there. Gomes is like a government bond. It will always have a value and will beat inflation, but just barely. Gooden is like a good ATT bond. Not too sexy but very repsonsible.
We need a diversified investment pool, but it has to be responsible and you can't overpay for a junk bond. If you keep a junk bond it has to be the only one you have and you can't pay too much for it. Meaning when he comes to us for a pay day he has to be underpaid so that when he pays off we will actually make a profit. He has to be paid like there is just as much a chance of him declining as getting better. We can't speculate or gamble. When you do that you get burned. Of course this wouldn't be a problem if the NBA had a system like the NFL.
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Post by goceltics34 on Jul 25, 2006 19:07:03 GMT -5
King is getting cold feet bottom line. He'd rather go the safe route and keep iverson, rather than trade him and get some cap flexibility. King knows if he dosent geeting proper compensation for iverson the fans will kill him.
What king fails to realize is, the sixers have the second highest payroll behind the knicks, and if they dont trade iverson they'll just be treading water. This whole boston- philly thing is overblown. This isnt exactly iverson being traded to the to the 80's celtics in their prime.
I'm telling you guys the sentiment in philly is just to trade the guy, and get whatever you can, but king is to scared to pull the trigger. I would love to have iverson, but i wouldnt be heartbroken. Our young kids have a bigger upside. Were on the rise philly is declining.
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Post by eja117 on Jul 25, 2006 19:54:28 GMT -5
Exxxxxxxxactly! they are lucky to have Iguodla but not really cause good wings grow on trees. So they are exactly where we were years ago. A team with 2 good wings but no pg, pf, or center, no youth, bloated cap, and they also have a superstar older than when we started rebuilding, and stigmatized, and no great coach. They are in one of the worst situations in league and everyone knows it, and yet King is still trying to dictate terms, which is ridiculous. If I were King I'd let AI go for Gerald green, our choice of pgs, and something else that isn't bad and then jump up and down, but noooooo. he's gonna drown in his own visions of grandeurical delusions.
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Post by FLCeltsFan on Jul 25, 2006 21:57:56 GMT -5
Here's the latest.... www.philly.com/mld/philly/sports/15120083.htmBreaking: King says Iverson off table in deal By PHIL JASNER Daily News Sports Writer The 76ers trading Allen Iverson? Doesn't sound that way at all. "I fully expect Allen will be suiting up with us next season," Sixers president/general manager Billy King told the Daily News this afternoon. "Allen and I have talked about it, and he wants to be here and is excited to be playing for us." King said he is "still working the phones, talking to people [about prospective deals]." "We're trying to do what's best to make us a better ballclub," he said. "That's not including Allen in our discussions." Iverson has spent his entire 10-season career with the Sixers. He is a four-time NBA scoring champion and was the league’s Most Valuable Player in 2000-01.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jul 26, 2006 0:55:32 GMT -5
At this point, it doesn't seem anyone's strongly going after Iverson, and this is leaving Billy King in a tough situation. If he's getting 50 cents on the dollar for Iverson, he will just hold onto his star player and let things roll for another season and see what happens.
I think that 6 team deal rumor had some legs to it, but too many variables to make it work.
Well, if Iverson is out of the picture, we should start hearing more talks in our camp about potential big men coming here.
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Post by The Eye of the Q is upon you! on Jul 26, 2006 7:41:54 GMT -5
Iverson has over 60 million due in three years - I think he will be traded - to the Knicks or Atlanta. I don't see Iverson coming to Boston directly from Philadelphia.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2006 11:12:52 GMT -5
I would love to have in green , but I feel the right move is to wait until king has to give up his hand. Right now I feel our future is bright with the talent ainge has acquired.
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