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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jul 24, 2006 17:25:16 GMT -5
The longer it goes on, it appears that the Iverson deal will not happen (unless Ainge can get Iverson for dirt cheap--as in Scalabrine, Ed Lacerte, Brian Goo, and Chris Wallace). I think its time he turns his attention towards getting us a quality big man who can play PF and C. It would be terrific if we can get a starting caliber big man, but getting a proven backup who can produce will be fine as well.
As it is, we are walking on egg shells, hoping that none of our bigs get hurt. Perk has to be cautious of his shoulder, Al will be looking out for pairs of feet every time he lands, and Ratliff has missed a bunch of time the past 2 years and its not certain that he will play a whole lot this year.
Ryan Gomes will be a help and he's a solid rebounder. But he's undersized and what happens more than it should is he loses out on the rebounding battles against taller and bulkier players. But he will definitely be a guy in the big man rotation.
Dwayne Jones has got some talent and he could factor into the rotation eventually, but he's still under the learning curve so that might be later on in the season (and maybe it'll take longer). Leon Powe has a chance to stick in the NBA, but he's probably NBDL bound this year. If he tears it up, Ainge may need to bring him up. But realistically, we won't see him early on.
If Perkins, Ratliff, Jefferson, and Gomes all remain healthy the entire year and play to the best of their abilities, I say we will be able to hold down the fort without any additional help. But its scary to go into the season without any insurance because injuries are a part of the game. Plus, our young guys have a propensity to foul anyone who's moving near them.
Make a move for a big man, Danny.
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Post by eja117 on Jul 24, 2006 18:28:17 GMT -5
Except for injuries on paper we should be better than last year, but we may need to put a surprising amount of stock in young guys like Jones and powe and guys we don't like like Scala. It would be better to give more minutes to a guy like Powe and less to AL J in an effort to develop Powe, than to give tons of minutes to AL if he can't really handle it (without getting hurt).
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Post by FLCeltsFan on Jul 24, 2006 18:58:59 GMT -5
I agree wholeheartedly, Derren. We need another big. We really have very little back up if someone gets hurt for even a little while. Danny needs to forget about Iverson and go after a quality big. I can't help but feel that Danny has someone in mind and he is going after him on the sly. I never could understand his being so vocal about Iverson. He NEVER tips his hat. He has even gone as far as to deny a trade the day it happened. The player he is targeting is probably someone he has never mentioned.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2006 19:24:18 GMT -5
Available BIG-MEN Gooden (wants 8-10 mil) Wilcox (Same as gooden) Keyon Martin (14-15 mil for 5 years) Marcus Camby (8mil for 4 years) Troy Murphy (10 mil for 5 years) Chris Webber (20mil for 3 years) Zydrunas Ilgauskas (9 mil expiring <--- didn't he get another deal?)
Probably other big man available but I know those guys are the ones who their perspectively are willingly to trade. I think our best option would be either Gooden, Wilcox or Murphy based on how much you're going to give up. Also, I wouldn't be shocked if ainge is going to see if it's worth our time to take on Martin's massive contract (probably not this year since Ainge wants to see if Al can pick it up). But, next year I can see Ainge trying to pursue someone whose worth the gamble i.e. Martin.
I wouldn't be shocked Ainge rolls the dice with what we have on this roster and wait till next year where our draft picks could give us some leverage to pick-up veteran star since its suppose to be a very deep draft.
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Post by eja117 on Jul 24, 2006 22:30:17 GMT -5
Chris Webber and Marcus Camby are fragile. Wilcox has a classic case of contract year second half sudden stats. Getting him is like drafting a high schooler instead of a proven college guy cause he has lots of pword. kenyon is coming of microfracture surgery which is what did in Webber. I'd say ilgauskas is best followed by Murphy, then Gooden, but I could see Gooden being better. I just think Gooden also has a case of contract year performance. But Doc likes him. I guess that's good. I guess. It depends on Goodens attitude.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2006 1:26:38 GMT -5
Ilgauskas is just as fragile as Webber and Camby. Not to mention with all of his foot injuries he has become a liability on defense. Atleast he only has 1 year left on his contract.
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Post by freshnthehouse on Jul 25, 2006 1:29:12 GMT -5
I'd rather wait and see how Perk and Al develop this year than pick up a big $$$ big man that will take minutes from the kids. If need be, we can be in the market for a premier big next summer. However, if we ever get an open spot on the line-up, I wouldnt mind picking up Scott Pollard. He would come cheap, he's not afraid of contact, he has tons of play-off experience, and did i mention he'd come cheap?
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Post by freshnthehouse on Jul 25, 2006 1:30:51 GMT -5
Zydrunas Ilgauskas (9 mil expiring <--- didn't he get another deal?) I believe he did. Around 11 mill a year for 5 years, I think.l
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Post by BCHISTORIAN on Jul 25, 2006 1:49:03 GMT -5
murpphy might be most avilable for the right price. however i would offer wilcox a 8 mill per year deal, probably seattle would want to make some kind of wilcox/fortson for ratliff/someone deal. eja - i would disagree a bit about wilcox - he has put good number up before as well when brand was injured. it's just he had to play behind brand that has hindered his development. out of that bunch wilcox would be the best option. he's athletic and runs the floor. i like murphy but would he run? his contract is too big too. i wouldn't mind getting him for the right price though. gooden was said to have low bb iq. that always scares me. stay away from the rest of those constantly-injured superstar wannabes.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jul 25, 2006 3:17:47 GMT -5
Fresh, getting a big man is ideal for insurance purposes. We just don't have any guarantees that our guys will not get injured this season. Last season, we relied a lot on Raef to provide workhorse minutes at the 4 and 5. This season, we don't have him, but instead have Theo Ratliff, and this guy has missed over 60 games the past 2 years.
I've never been a fan of Kenyon Martin, not while he was playing for Cinncinatti, especially not while he played in New Jersey, and not while he played in Denver. But feelings are changed if he's playing for us. Considering he makes only 8 mill a year, that's cheaper than what Gooden will probably get. And Kenyon is meaner, more aggressive, and he's much more athletic--an important aspect we are trying to accumulate here. He will be terrific in our uptempo style of basketball. Much like how he totally soaked it up playing alongside a true PG in Jersey (Kidd), he will be playing with Telfair and Rondo--2 guys who are excellent at throwing the alley oop passes near the rim.
Not fully endorsing going after Kenyon Martin, but I do think he'll make an impact if he's traded to us.
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Post by freshnthehouse on Jul 25, 2006 3:52:34 GMT -5
I've never been a fan of Kenyon Martin, not while he was playing for Cinncinatti, especially not while he played in New Jersey, and not while he played in Denver. But feelings are changed if he's playing for us. Considering he makes only 8 mill a year, that's cheaper than what Gooden will probably get. I think Martin makes big bucks(14-15 mill a year). Im def. not on board with Martin in green. Grossly overpaid, injury prone, and a severe attitude problem.
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Post by eja117 on Jul 25, 2006 8:12:27 GMT -5
Ilguaskas had those 4 years of foot problems but he's been fine for years now I think
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jul 25, 2006 11:08:01 GMT -5
Oh, my bad. I wasn't looking at the salaries closely. It does appear that K-Mart makes big bucks. That throws a wrench into my approval to trade for him. There's not enough money to just throw around at 2 - 3 players on the team.
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Post by The Eye of the Q is upon you! on Jul 25, 2006 12:29:22 GMT -5
Gooden is the best big man available right now. I would not trade Al Jefferson, Scalabrine and Delonte West for him, however.
Getting Iverson probably means trading Ratliffe and Szerbiak and that means a third team must get involved.
We might look like:
Bassy, Iverson, Pierce, Gooden, Perkins Rondo, Tony Allen, Allan Ray, Scal, Powe, Jones, trade-in.
We be in trouble up front if we lose either Perkins or Gooden.
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