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Post by eja117 on Jul 19, 2006 22:45:36 GMT -5
If he achieves #5 he will exceed my expectations. If the answe in less than #3 we need to trade him. When the fate of a franchise is on your shoulders (and it basicaly is) and you can't deliver it's time to go. In comes Boozer and Tiago Splitter or whatever
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jul 19, 2006 22:54:25 GMT -5
He'll be a 15 and 8 player this year if Doc gives him the playing time. Both Gomes and Al will benefit from playing with Telfair and Rondo.
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Post by mev17 on Jul 19, 2006 23:34:49 GMT -5
I voted 17, 9 and 3 all-star games. Not this year, mind you, but his talent does not come along every year, and once he learns the various aspects of the game he will be tough to stop.
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Post by eja117 on Jul 20, 2006 0:11:51 GMT -5
This is important not just cause he needs to be good, but because a whole lot of good young bigs are joining the league soon. Splitter, Durant, Oden, Noah, Horford, maybe Fazekas, and Emeka is coming back from injury. In order to win a championship we need Al to be better than like all of em. And one or two of those guys plus one or two of the guys from this year will be good like right away. One of the WILL be better than AL THIS year. Maybe TT. So by the end of the year he's not much better than them. That kinda makes this whole time a waste. Then next year if he doesn't take serious steps forward another rookie or two will be better than him. And they will be better right away. Not 4 years from now. Like now. Suddenly he's in the league 4 years and there are several young guys better than him. This is why you can't wait 4 years. It's a recipe for disaster. If you wait you end up like Philly and Minn hoping someone trades you a guy with sucks right now for a guy that basically sucked his whole career (well seriously, if you didn't win a championship you sucked. Either a champ or a chump and until they win one that's what all the Iversons and KGs of the world are) and pissed off that you can't get 3 young prospects for one washed up vet. Why do you think DA makes a trade every year? He has no free agent money. None. It's used on PP. He has to wait for Ratliff to come off the books. By then he has already given Perk, and presumably D West and Al J and maybe TA extensions, and then he's over the cap and can't sign anyone. So he haaaaasss. To make trades to improve and to do that he haaaaasss to draft better than anyone. he has done the best you could possibly expect a gm to do and it isn't enough at all to win a championship. He went for p word and got very very very lucky. And he knows it. He has a lot of evaluation skill, but that won't win a championship. He knows there will be "winners and losers". He is preparing us for the inevitable. The day we all wake up and say "oh my God. All that p word wasn't enough to win a single championship. We sat there for 4 years and more with Al jefferson whle other teams loaded up on Lebron, Dwight Howard, Bosh, D Wade, Oden, and TT. We sat there with a lot of sucks right now cause we loved him so much while other teams aquired champions." That's why DA is ready to move AL J or maybe even GG. They are our only answers right now to those names. That and a very happy washed up vet that never won a thing NBA or college. DA is doing this with shoe strings. basically we have a choice. It's like Brutus said. Would you all rather that Ceasar should live and you all be slaves? Or that he should die and you all be free men? I killed Caesar not because I did not love him, but because I loved Rome more. he made a choice between Rome and his best friend and the choice was obvious. Get ready. DA is going to "kill" one of your favorite beloved players. He will do it. He will trade one of those players with your precious precious percieved potential and aquire something we haven't had here in a while.... a chance in hell. Talent. motivation. Drive. Experience. Or he will try to at least. Choose now. Right now. Your favorite player like AL or GG or a championship. I choose a championship.
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Post by freshnthehouse on Jul 20, 2006 0:54:19 GMT -5
Choose now. Right now. Your favorite player like AL or GG or a championship. I choose a championship. THe one thing you are assuming in this thread is that if we make a trade, it will make us a serious contender. Trades like this rarely happen. I'd much rather roll the dice with our kids than sell the farm for a player like Iverson. If anything, I think that next season could be the summer to make a trade. So far all of the KG rumors have been completely made. Not once has a legit rumor came out of Minny saying that McHale is seriously considering a KG trade, nor has KG said anything about a trade demand. However, if the wolves suck yet again, there could possibly be some rumblings in Minny. Ditto for JONeal's situation in Indy.
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Post by FLCeltsFan on Jul 20, 2006 10:20:31 GMT -5
Perk is my favorite player and I think it would be terrible to trade him. Center is the hardest spot to fill and with limited playing time Perk has developed very quickly. He got 3, 9 and 19 mpg so far in his 3 seasons and yet he has developed very quickly for a center. Don't forget, it wasn't until his 5th year that JOneal started to show ANYTHING!!! Perk will be a solid center for us and will be the anchor for our 17th championship..... Not based on potential but based on his production and development so far. The kid is solid and will only get better. He is my only untouchable as far as a trade. I don't want to give up Al or Green or West or Gomes but they aren't on my untouchable list... Perk is
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Post by eja117 on Jul 20, 2006 12:36:34 GMT -5
I have made it clear giving up more than two kids for a washed up star like AI would be a bad idea and that we shouldn't trade our future for the future of teams that missed their chance. Philly married itself to AI. Everything that has happened on that team the last 10 years and for the next 4 is directly related to him. Either what he does, or what the players they trade for him does. At one time it looked like a good idea to marry themselves to him. Marrying ourselves to AL J right now looks like a mistake. We need to either look at him as a backup or look to break up with him and start dating someone else. Someone that looks like they can win a championship. Or if we can trade him for something better than we should do that. But not a washed up player like Iverson. If Iverson were as good as he is as a big man I'd be all for it (basically KG) but he's not. There was absolutely no reason at all for the Jailblazers to keep ONeal. None. He had done nothing there. If they wanted to think of him as a backup they could have kept him. If they had kept him it wouldn't have solved any of their problems and it didn't solve anything for the Pacers, because he basically can't lead you to a championship with guys like Duncan, Lebron, D Wade, and Shaq around. And D Wade wouldn't do anything without Shaq anyway. Now when you put Shaq AND D Wade together or PP AND J Oneal together that's one thing. But the Jailblazers didn't have any D Wades or PPs around. You can't keep around players that don't produce and pay them money. If you want to do that then by that logic every player who has never produced anything is worth having on the team cause they might be the next j Oneal. j Oneal was a miracle. One shot deal. Hoping that just by waiting 4 years your player would be as good as that would be like trying to date Star Jones cause maybe in 4 years she'll look like oprah and then 5 years after that she might look like Vivica A Fox.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2006 15:33:04 GMT -5
If Al is needed to make a trade for a veteran All-Star then you must put him in it. Ainge is going have to take a big risk sooner than later in order to get this team competing for championships. Sorry but this isn't going to be a 5 year process. I expect the next two years to be huge overhaul in order to make a run in the playoffs.
Pierce is the key component to win a championship not Al. If Al can't get his act together and atleast put up quality starter stats it is inevitable to make a trade for a better player.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jul 20, 2006 17:01:48 GMT -5
I think there must be a balance of trying to win now, but not sacrificing our future. If you sell your future for a window to win a title in the next few years, and it doesn't work, we are screwed for the next 10 years
If we can give up a potentially star caliber young player for an All-Star who happens to be still fairly young, then by all means Ainge should make the call. But giving up Jefferson and/or Green for an aging veteran is like giving your your entire fortune to buy an island that will sink into the ocean in a couple of years. Sure you may live like a king on your own island, but it will only be for a short amount of time.
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