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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jul 19, 2006 1:02:59 GMT -5
Remember 2 years ago when we thought we were too deep with wing players? At that time, we had Pierce, Ricky, Jiri Welsch, and the newly acquired Tony Allen. And we thought we were loaded at the 2 and 3 then.
But now, we're back to having too much talent at the 2 and 3, and we're even deeper and more talented.
Pierce, Wally, Gerald, Tony, Allan Ray, and even Delonte West because now he's more likely to play more minutes at SG.
All we really need are 2 starters, one bench guy who can help at SF and SG, and one guy who can fill in 5 ~ 8 minutes here and there, whenever players are in foul trouble (so of course, he's not going to be needed every game).
Pierce and Wally are the front runners for the starting 2 and 3. Gerald is, at some point, going to be the backup who subs in first. Gomes is also likely to get some minutes at the 3.
So that player who plays spot minutes will either be Delonte, Tony Allen, or Allan Ray. Delonte is definitely a guy who I'm sure will have a role bigger than just 5 ~ 8 minutes a game.
Allan Ray will probably (if he makes the team) spend the first few months in the D-League. That leaves Tony Allen looking for minutes on the court.
But where in the world is he going to find any?
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Post by BCHISTORIAN on Jul 19, 2006 3:54:12 GMT -5
some kind of trade wwill happen. i think west is the one to go because he has value for other gm's. hopefully danny holds on to gg. sczc may go as well if we are able to land a big time pf. don't expect it though. the depth of sf - pp, gg sg - ws, ta is enough for me
i think that if there's no trade west will continue to figure in a pg rotation
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jul 19, 2006 10:46:06 GMT -5
As I was reading the news section that FL12 put up this morning, a disturbing thought came to mind. Maybe Pierce was quick to sign an extension and not wait a year to explore free agency to find greener pastures because he was assured that we will land Iverson this summer.
I'm thinking Leon Powe could be Gomes' replacement and Allan Ray could be Delonte's replacement, if we lose these young guys in the Iverson trade.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2006 10:51:34 GMT -5
As I was reading the news section that FL12 put up this morning, a disturbing thought came to mind. Maybe Pierce was quick to sign an extension and not wait a year to explore free agency to find greener pastures because he was assured that we will land Iverson this summer. I'm thinking Leon Powe could be Gomes' replacement and Allan Ray could be Delonte's replacement, if we lose these young guys in the Iverson trade. I read the article as well. But I also find this quote interesting: Link: www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/articles/2006/07/19/plan_helped_pierce_to_stay_put/?page=2If Ai trade doesn't work out we might see a Carlos Boozer in Boston and possibly Mo Pete coming with him. Maybe, we'll get all three players (doubt it) which would tie the salary cap up but we won't have to sign all these young players to bigger contracts.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jul 19, 2006 11:13:17 GMT -5
I can see Boozer helping our team, but Mo Pete is past his prime. He slowed down a lot last year and didn't look like the solid player he was back a few years ago.
I'm thinking that if Ainge doesn't think we'll hold onto all of our young players, he will move some of them now to get Iverson.
Wally will probably be in the deal to make the salaries match. Along with him will probably be Gomes. Please don't misunderstand me--I'm a fan of Ryan Gomes. I think he's an exceptionallly helpful player because of the garbage plays he gives us. But he's a future bench contributor (Jefferson is still in the picture for the future PF spot), and he's a tweener PF/SF, not quite the post player and not enough perimeter game. If Ainge had to look for players he could realistically part with and not harm our chances for a title down the line, Gomes would be one of them.
I also think this is why Leon Powe was so hotly pursued in this draft. Ainge gave it a lot of effort to get this guy, finally getting him through a trade with Denver. Powe is roughly the same height as Gomes, but is much more of a post presence and is just as good rebounding the ball. He gives us a real backup PF and not a tweener.
The other player in the deal could very well be Delonte West. He's a Philly guy who gained value for himself last year. With Telfair and Rondo aboard, he won't be tasked to play much PG. And if Iverson comes here, he and Pierce will be the starters, with Gerald getting a bigger role off the bench. And I think that we quickly pulled in Allan Ray to be Delonte's replacement. Otherwise, it wouldn't make sense that Ainge would crowd our roster with yet another SG. Ray is another terrific shooting combo guard, so he can play some PG and SG.
Wally, Delonte, Gomes, plus a future 1st rounder. This could be the deal for Iverson--though other teams may be involved so that Philly will get more impactful players. Maybe Boozer to Philly while Wally goes over to Utah.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2006 11:23:20 GMT -5
Mo Pete had a career high in pts rebs and steals. And, he's the same age as Pierce so wouldn't that mean he's in the middle of his prime?
I do agree Boozer would help this team especially with his rebounding and low post game.
I could see Gomes going to Utah because the Jazz will have very little depth in the front court.
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Post by cfoo on Jul 19, 2006 11:59:26 GMT -5
Not sure if any of you saw this quote, but it is a different pov than what I have heard Ainge take in the past.
``There's going to be winners and losers in that whole crowd," said Ainge, who officially signed 6-foot-8-inch, 245-pound rookie forward Leon Powe yesterday to a three-year, partially guaranteed contract that could be worth $2 million. ``A great scenario is that they would all be worthy of big-dollar contracts. That means that they'll all be playing really, really good. That's more unlikely than likely based on how many young players we have. We have a lot of decisions to make in the next few years on those young players. We're aware of that.
``If any of those guys turn out to be Paul Pierce, I'll be surprised. Right now, we probably have too many young guys because it's going to be tough to get them developed because one of the key components of development is going to be playing time. We have too many youngs to get them the minutes they need to develop."
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jul 19, 2006 13:10:49 GMT -5
Yeah, that's the quote that got me thinking a bit about the young players we have. Its unlikely that we hold onto all the young players we have now. It just doesn't work out that way. Though I've grown to like all the players we have on our team (even Scal), we are just too young right now to make a push for the title. I have no problem waiting a few years for the young guys to develop, but the problem that I sort of ignore is where all the developmental time will come from. There's no way Gerald will grow if he doesn't get a lot of playing time. Neither will Tony Allen. Neither will Al Jefferson or Ryan Gomes. We just don't have the roster space to allow all of our young players the playing time they need to really develop their games.
Another telling sign was what Ainge said during the Pierce interview, when he said that he doesn't know if he can get Iverson, but he will get someone who can help us this year. To me, this sounds like he has a really good player in mind--someone who's likely a star caliber player.
If not Iverson, I'm thinking Shawn Marion, who would be a perfect fit in our uptempo offense. He would give us a tremendous rebounding SF and Pierce is one of the best rebounding wing players as well.
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Post by ferbo on Jul 19, 2006 15:00:40 GMT -5
I could smile over Marion.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jul 19, 2006 15:29:28 GMT -5
Exactly. Marion has been a guy I wanted for the longest time. Imagine he and Gerald Green playing together (when Pierce is on the bench). Telfair can alley oop on every play and one of them will go get the ball and slam it home.
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