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Post by jb on Jun 12, 2006 6:50:54 GMT -5
Here are some clips of Sergio Rodriguez posted to the Globe message board. I'm sold. Here is a very young (19 yrs old) point guard that has all the moves of a Cousy or a Magic Johnson. You would have to have players around him who could handle some unexpected passes and Pierce and the half court iso game would have to be thrown out, if we draft him, but some team is going to get a very special, once in a generation player. Watching him move the ball, I immediately thought of the guys on the street in Times Square with the card table and the pea in the shell game. No matter how hard you concentrate you can't tell which shell the pea is under. -JB <http://forums.prospero.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?nav=messages&tsn=1&tid=5209&webtag=bc-celtics> Posted by stackgtr on Jun-8 7:31 PM I dont know if you have seen any of these highlight reels, I know its not the same as seeing him play a full game but the highlights in each reel is from one game, youtube.com/watch?v=9qKGWhHADlE&search=sergio%20rodriguezyoutube.com/watch?v=Eahe1ixrQmM&search=sergio%20rodriguezReply| Options Message #5209.4 in response to #5209.2 Posted by stackgtr on Jun-8 7:36 PM Heres more sergio highlights, youtube.com/watch?v=5JKiz-xs5YM&search=sergio%20rodriguez
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Post by jb on Jun 12, 2006 6:53:28 GMT -5
"Here is a very young (19 yrs old) point guard that has all the moves of a Cousy or a Magic Johnson."
Have I exaggerated a tad? Are there a few "moves" that Cousy and Magic had that Sergio hasn't shown? Probably, but I think it's academic. Actually, neither Magic or Cousy (I saw and idolized them both) had this kid's ability to shake defenders in the half court, with cross overs and misdirection, which may be his most amazing talent. He is not the project of say: Saer Sene. Saer has played ball for only two years and at low levels of competition. All we know about him is that he's an athletic freak, not even as polished as Jerome Moiso or Kedrick Brown. Sergio has played in the top Spanish league and over the course of this season, won the starting spot from the team's veteran PG, just as the playoffs were getting underway. Here is an article from May 2006.
<http://www.draftexpress.com/dedaily.php?p=657> The DraftExpress Daily Monday, May 8, 2006
EuroRoundup: Sergio Rodríguez, the Show Must Go On By Luis Fernández
This was a tremendous week for Sergio Rodríguez. After a poor season start, he has been steadily improving for the last few months, and now has delivered a couple of awesome performances that, despite resulting in only one victory, has placed Estudiantes in an excellent position to advance into the playoffs. And that’s just want we want, to see Sergio in the postseason. The show must go on.
The first game was an extremely difficult task: a showdown on the road against the ACB leaders, Unicaja Málaga. Estudiantes stayed in the game for the full 40 minutes, going ahead in the first half and keeping focused when things turned ugly, although in the end Unicaja won by 2 points. Anyway, Sergio deserves a lot of credit. He has really made strides as a playmaker, particularly when it comes to keeping the proper game rhythm (although he always likes to play fast) and making good decisions. He’s struggling mightily with his perimeter shot, but he’s being a huge creative force for his team, breaking defenses down and effectively distributing the ball. He’s averaging 8.3 assists in only 27 minutes in the last 9 games, an incredible amount for international basketball. Against Unicaja, he settled for 7, but added 13 points and 4 rebounds in 23 minutes of playing time.
Sergio has been a consistent starter during the season, but was splitting minutes with veteran point guard Nacho Azofra. He’s lately getting a bigger share of the playing time at the point, and this weekend he virtually monopolized the position by playing 38 minutes in the overtime victory against Forum, blossoming for 25 points, 5 rebounds, 11 assists and 4 steals. __________________________
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Post by eddietours on Jun 12, 2006 7:14:10 GMT -5
sergio sergio am sergio biggest supporter ;D ;D
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Post by FLCeltsFan on Jun 12, 2006 7:34:34 GMT -5
Welcome JB!!! Nice to see you here!!! I too love this kid. If we take a PG I would love to see him in green but am leaning toward Danny taking a big rather than a PG.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jun 12, 2006 10:47:51 GMT -5
Hey, welcome aboard, jB. Thanks for posting all these terrific Sergio links.
I'm still not sure how to feel about Sergio. Its nice to have flash to entertain the crowd, but first and foremost is he has to make this team better.
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Post by jb on Jun 12, 2006 19:01:19 GMT -5
Hey, welcome aboard, jB. Thanks for posting all these terrific Sergio links.
I'm still not sure how to feel about Sergio. Its nice to have flash to entertain the crowd, but first and foremost is he has to make this team better. DERRENMATTS ******************
Thanks for the shout out Darren and Shirley, that must be you: flceltsfan12? This board looks like a fun place, but it's still a bit confusing for me. I'm used to a threadless E-mail message board where everyone reads every post in the order they are posted. I mean how do you know which is the current thread? Anyway, drafting a point guard like Sergio means a committment to a very different and specific type of player. You must have athletes who can run, finish strong and most importantly catch unpredictable passes. He'd be perfect for Al Jefferson who has the softest big man hands I've ever seen and Gerald Green, who would score 30 a game, just by getting out on the wing. The real impediment to installing that type of offense would be Pierce who wants to control the ball and run iso plays in the half court. If it were up to me, I'd take a shot at it and let the dogs loose, while trading Pierce for Deng, Gordon and the Bulls next years pick. Then, even if we keep losing, it would be a heck of a lot more fun to watch.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jun 12, 2006 19:48:31 GMT -5
Sergio, and Marcus Williams, for that matter, should definitely kick start our anemic running game. But like you said, guys like Pierce need to get out and run to make it work. But with guys like Tony and Gerald, along with Gomes (who happens to run the floor well, even if he's just the trailer) and Jefferson, one of the fastest big men in the league, will help make the transition work.
JB, you seem to be advocating for Sergio. In your opinion, what do you think will make Sergio a better pick than Marcus Williams?
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Post by Roadrunner on Jun 12, 2006 21:22:02 GMT -5
Welcome aboard, or to the board, jb.
Do you have any stats of him playing professionally overseas?
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Post by jb on Jun 12, 2006 22:08:17 GMT -5
Welcome aboard, or to the board, jb.
Do you have any stats of him playing professionally overseas?
Roadrunner *******************
Man, you guys (and gals) are friendly here. Thank you all for such a warm welcome. I've not seen any accumulated stats, he was only a part time player for most of the season, but there there is a blurb posted earlier in this thread:
{He’s averaging 8.3 assists in only 27 minutes in the last 9 games, an incredible amount for international basketball. Against Unicaja, he settled for 7, but added 13 points and 4 rebounds in 23 minutes of playing time.
Sergio has been a consistent starter during the season, but was splitting minutes with veteran point guard Nacho Azofra. He’s lately getting a bigger share of the playing time at the point, and this weekend he virtually monopolized the position by playing 38 minutes in the overtime victory against Forum, blossoming for 25 points, 5 rebounds, 11 assists and 4 steals.} ********
JB, you seem to be advocating for Sergio. In your opinion, what do you think will make Sergio a better pick than Marcus Williams?
DerrenMatts *****************
Derren, it's really so hard to tell if a young player will ever get any better than he is right now and if a star in the Spanish league will be able to rise to the top here, but Sergio has such unique ability as a point guard that it just has to be worth a shot. The moves and skills he has just don't come around very often. If you've seen the tapes, you know what I mean. As a child, I watched and was enthralled by Cousy, which made me want to be a basketball player and all I ever wanted to be was a point guard. As an adult, it was watching Larry Bird, who epitimized; winning and unselfishness and passed like a point guard and then Magic Johnson who was only the second player I've seen who had that court vision and adeptness with the ball, that brought me back as a fan. So it's the pure point guard I seek, like the holy grail and I suspect this kid is it.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jun 13, 2006 0:15:44 GMT -5
From what I know of Sergio, which admittedly is very, very little, he's got better quickness and can get into the lane better than Marcus Williams. I hear his court vision is spectacular. I've seen Marcus play a number of times and I am impressed with his ability to see the floor in transition as well as in the halfcourt set. If Sergio has better court vision, and can make more more than Marcus can, he's definitely worth a shot.
Since there has been so many comparisons to Jayson Williams, I often envision him to be the same player, in size, athletic ability, and game. If so, I sometimes have to stop and play scenarios in my head because Jayson Williams is not a guy I hope our future PG emulates. Williams has totally changed his game from his days in Sacramento and no longer has any flash to his game. And due to handicapping himself, you hardly see any above average passes coming from J-Will, and thus he's become somewhat of an average PG. I'm hoping for more than just an average PG.
I guess I'm just going to have to trust that if Ainge does draft him, that Sergio is more than just fluff.
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Post by freshnthehouse on Jun 13, 2006 1:44:33 GMT -5
JB, way to make a splash by starting a new topic. Hope to read much more from you.
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Post by Roadrunner on Jun 13, 2006 21:16:06 GMT -5
Thanks jb. I was wondering, because I have read some articles on drafting foreign players, and they mentioned the difference between the good, and the busts, were the busts were all draft on potential, and the good always had the stats overseas.
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Post by jb on Jun 13, 2006 22:31:33 GMT -5
I have read some articles on drafting foreign players, and they mentioned the difference between the good, and the busts, were the busts were all draft on potential, and the good always had the stats overseas.
Roadrunner ******
The same can be said for many of the domestic busts. We can look at Moiso and Kedrick Brown right off the bat. The plyers who excel in the NCAA's are usualy safer choices, like Patrick O'Bryant and Marcus Williams, perhaps.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jun 13, 2006 23:37:59 GMT -5
I think one big difference in the type of players Ainge drafts, compared to the draftees our past regime picked (Chris Wallace to be specific) is that the players Ainge picks have determination.
If you look at Moiso (Pitino pick) and Kedrick Brown (Wallace), both guys had athleticism and physical abilities. But they didn't have that inner confidence or moxie that allows them to shine.
But so far, every player Ainge has drafted have this inner drive, or the ability to know they can perform at a high level. This is what makes Delonte good. He doesn't have a lot of athleticism, speed, or strength, but he believes in himself, and it shows in the way he plays and when he takes shots with defenders in his face.
You can already see it in Gerald's demeanor that he knows he can compete at this level. Jefferson shows no fear when going up against proven NBA talent. Perkins is ruthless on the court and doesn't back down from anyone. Tony Allen shows hesitancy at times, but his confidence soars after he drains his first shot of the game, or when he makes a spectacular play, defensively or offensively.
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