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Post by eja117 on May 3, 2006 7:34:48 GMT -5
I know what I think
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Post by BCHISTORIAN on May 3, 2006 23:58:27 GMT -5
hmm, though i voted that al will be better i think there's more than meets the eye. i expect al to have pore passion and sort of vengeance that makes him maximise his talent but ryan has better understanding of overall x's and o's. although we have to face the point that no matter what becomes of al jefferson, ryan gomes will always be a super role player
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Post by eja117 on May 4, 2006 8:27:13 GMT -5
If Gomes gets an outside shot and Al doesn't the contest will be over. In one and a half more years we will know whether Al can become good or a bust. Gomes is smarter and has more of a killer attitude. Al may have more talent, but it won't be easy for him to overtake Gomes. This is a lot like Banks vs Delonte. I thought Delonte was better but didn't want to count out Banks cause he had more talent and was way better physically and was way faster. I was wrong, and won't make the mistake again of going for talent or the p word over a grittier player again.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2006 12:10:31 GMT -5
Gomes would've already won the contest if he wasn't 3-4 inches shorter than Al. i.e. HUGE defense disadvantage
He already has a consistent 18 foot jumper along with decent post moves. It's his height and lack of athletic ability that makes it hard for us to use Gomes 30+ minutes a game especially when Garnett has atleast 5-6 inches over him.
It's nice getting 12 pts 7 rebs production out of him but you're also giving up 20+ pts 10 + rebs per game when hes in there as well.
Best case scenario for gomes is to be the next Antwain Jamison without the athletic ability. BTW, Jamison sucks at defense.
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Post by freshnthehouse on May 5, 2006 14:14:09 GMT -5
Someone on another board showed some of the #s opposing PFs were having against Gomes. Pretty frightening. Like JHVOS said, being that short, you'd better be an explosive athlete to make up for it. Gomes does not. I def think he'll make a solid NBA back-up, but I dont see him starting as a starting PF on a good team.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2006 15:53:29 GMT -5
All-Star Bigman
Dwight Howard 24pts 11 rebs 2blks vs Gomes 14pts 9 rebs Dwight Howard 18 pts 13 rebs vs Gomes 7 pts 5 rebs Pau Gasol 13 pts 4 rebs vs Gomes 4 pts 6 rebs Chris Bosh 24 pts 11 rebs 8 ast vs Gomes 9pts 4 rebs Chris Webber 18 pts 11 rebs vs Gomes 11pts 5 rebs Chris Webber 18 pts 7 rebs vs Gomes 29pts 11rebs Zach Randolph 19 pts 8 rebs vs Gomes 13 pts 17 rebs Andrei Kirlenko 17 pts 4 rebs vs Gomes 13 pts 3 rebs Lamar Odom 17pts 9 rebs vs Gomes 8pts 3 rebs Jermaine O'Neal 21pts 15 rebs vs Gomes 12 pts 3 rebs
Solid talent Brian Cook 19pts 5 rebs vs Gomes 19pts 12 rebs A. Jamison 25 pts 12 rebs vs Gomes 27pts 9 rebs Luol Deng 20 pts 8 rebs vs Gomes 8 pts 7 rebs Chandler 10 pts 11 rebs Andrew Bogut 10 pts 11 rebs vs Gomes 12pts 5 rebs
Not all of the games but as you can see when the talent is there Gomes cannot defend better competition. Plus, even against players who are on the same level as him put up same numbers as him.
He's definitely a good player to have contribute around 20 mins a game but if we want to win championships Gomes isn't our guy.
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Post by BCHISTORIAN on May 6, 2006 3:17:18 GMT -5
good job jhvos!
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Post by eja117 on May 6, 2006 10:22:46 GMT -5
I would say it makes sense that Gomes might not be the starter on a championship team, unless he got a little better and everyone else on the team was awesome. Like if you traded him for say Nazr Mohammed I still think San Antonio could win a championship without too many problems, but what are the numbers against Al J? What were the numbers his first year? Also did the team wn more games with Al starting or Gomes starting? Did the ball movement and fg% improve under Gomes? All I know is I saw a better player and better team when Gomes played and AL didn't than the other way around. A bunch of you said something like "Summer league doesn't matter" when Al J sucked it up there. Let's see what happens this summer, cause I think it does matter. Gomes may never be the man but AL might not ever either.
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Post by freshnthehouse on May 6, 2006 14:53:48 GMT -5
I dont think Gomes or Al are gonna be in summer league. Anyone know for sure?
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Post by ferbo on May 7, 2006 19:51:19 GMT -5
I think best thing that could happen is for Gomes to continue to work on his game at thed 3 and hopefully be able to swing back and forth.
Bird played the 3. He was neither athletic nor quick. Had instincts. He had some defensive liabilities as well. As I recall, Newman lit him up repeatedly with outside shots.
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Post by Roadrunner on May 8, 2006 21:23:59 GMT -5
I think in fairness to Gomes, an opposing player's field goal percentage should be used vs. points. Points is misleading, because it doesn't take into consideration how many shots, good or bad, a player took. Also, what are the usual stats for the opposing players? An all-star will score, rebound, etc against anyone, whether its vs. Gomes or not.
However, this is a good point to suggest when starting a player, such as Gomes, is not as clear cut as it looks.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2006 10:30:16 GMT -5
Kevin Garnett 11-26fg 29pts 13rebs vs Al Jefferson 18pts 8 rebs Nenad Kristic 6-15 fg 12 pts 6 rebs vs Al Jefferson 10 pts 10 rebs Shawn Marion 21 pts 12 rebs vs Al Jefferson 17 pts 7 rebs Al Harrington 10-18fgs 29 pts 8 rebs vs. Al Jefferson 17pts 4 rebs
We can all agree that both Jefferson and Gomes aren't defensive specialist. They both put up quality numbers but Gomes is more consistent while Al shines once every 3-5 games. Right now, you take gomes over Al because of consistency.
I have to agree eja on this one statement, neither player might not be the guy to start at PF. In fact, I wouldn't be surprise if this team goes after an Al Harrington, Boozer, or Odom type player.
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