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Post by The Eye of the Q is upon you! on Apr 4, 2006 12:16:47 GMT -5
I'm beginning to think it won't happen in my lifetime
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Next Championship: 1986 + 86 = 2072
I just don't see anything Danny can do to get championship ball players in a Celtics uniform.
They'll make a number of attempts within the next 10 years but we will still be working against the Suns, Spurs, Mavs, Cavs, and Pistons.
Pierce will have to leave Boston if he wants his ring in the next five years.
The good news in all this is that we will see 1st time winners in the Cavs, Mavs, Suns, the team lucky enough to draft Greg Oden, and one other surprise (I hope not the Nets) team. The Lakers and Phil Jackson will never win a title.
I also think we will have a 1st time winner - either the Suns or the Mavericks this year.
This was a terrible year to be a Celtics fan but I see reasonably good times ahead and playoff campaigns will become a yearly event in Boston - unless Danny and the ownership have a brain cramp and fail to extend Pierce.
Logically, the Celtics optimum competitive window is 2009 to 2015 for Perkins, Jefferson, Allen, West, and Gerald Green. Sczerbiak is a nice 6th man (he went to the same school as Havlicek so there is connection to Celtic greatness). Gomes and LaFrentz are good role players. Dickau can come in and shoot a three. Gerald Green is the diaper dandy who eventually makes Pierce expendable. If we could simply add through the draft, we probably could upgrade the PG.
Within the next 10 years - My guess is 2011 is a year to watch. __________________ Change those sneakers back to black!
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Post by BCHISTORIAN on Apr 4, 2006 13:44:18 GMT -5
q, don't lose your hope. barring an armageddon we will win it before 2072 ;D personally i think that 2008 is realistic year to set hopes high and the window for this group could be to 2015 indeed just like you said
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Post by freshnthehouse on Apr 4, 2006 15:40:29 GMT -5
Q, are you joking when you make posts like this? Its foolish to to predict what will happen in 3-4 let alone 60+ years. Basketball is all about getting one player. Do you think that Spurs fans of the early 90s would believe you that theyed start winning championships in the late 90s by a franchise big man not named David Robinson?
And the Lakers will be good again. They have a owner willing to spend money, and they are the league's premier free agent destination. A young single dude is usually gonna choose LA over Minneapolis most of the time.
And Im asking everyone out there: Was this really a terrible year to be a C's fan? We are finishing with about the same record I figured we would in October. The development of Perk and West has been great. Gomes has been an unexpected surprise. Pierce has has taken his game to another level. We finally got rid of Blount(To bad we couldnt have pulled this deal last summer). Besides the injuries to Al and Tony, this team accomplished everything I hoped they would.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2006 16:01:24 GMT -5
Basketball is base on 1 player who can change the franchise around. Right now, we don't have that player even if Pierce goes for 35pts per game. We need a dominant big man with an all-star PG to go along with him.
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Post by VI_CelticsFan on Apr 4, 2006 17:07:27 GMT -5
2008 or 2009 will be the years we make a run at the championship, mark my words...
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Post by Roadrunner on Apr 4, 2006 21:42:29 GMT -5
...hopefully with the sound of "and starting at the Center postion, hailing from Indy, In, Greg Oden."
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Post by esco33 on Apr 5, 2006 20:38:24 GMT -5
I don't necessarily agree Q that this year was a terrible year to be a Celts fan. We didn't do all the things we had hoped for, like making the playoffs and advancing, but many good things did happen this year. We were able to guage who were "players" and who were not. Marcus just wasn't. Neither was Blount. Ricky was but he was redundant with Pierce. We acquired Wally who fits in perfectly, a guy who doesn't demand the ball, plays within the flow of the offense and still averages 18-20ppg. We got to see the development of Delonte, Perk, and Gomes. Big Al was stagnant this year. Never really came back after the training camp injury. Pierce played the best b-ball of his career, even better than last year, and his attitude was great. Even Gerald Green in the last few weeks has come on, and we can definitely see the potential in him. We have a lottery draft pick coming up, and many good things can still happen in regards to it. We can get into the top 3, or even trade the pick, with a vet or two or couple young guys and trade for another star player (Either power forward or point guard) I expect us to be competitive next year, make the playoffs and get the 4-5th spot, maybe higher depending on any potential trades for star players. I could say that in 2009, we could legitimately contend for a title. Here is how I see it: Delonte West 5th year (prime) Gerald Green- (4th year) Paul Pierce - (33 years old, still in prime) Big Al - 5th year (prime) OR Veteran Star PF in prime Perk (In his prime, 6th year) Plus a mean bench. If this is the nucleus, then all of these guys will still be in their prime, even Pierce. They will all be relatively young as well from 23-26, then Pierce will be 33. There is reason for optimism. Be ready. Ainge may make a big surprise move this off season to make us contenders even sooner than that (and I don't mean trading Pierce). Remember we have about 5-7 first rounders in the next 3 years, plus a plethora of young untapped talent. Definitely enough ammo to make a very decent move.
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Post by Roadrunner on Apr 6, 2006 21:13:10 GMT -5
This team is one trade away from competing w/ the big boys in the East. Now, if we can only persuade a team like Tor, or Ind to trade Bosh, or O'Neal. Or land Oden for that matter.
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Post by BCHISTORIAN on Apr 7, 2006 6:56:29 GMT -5
say no to jermaine o neal as he is always injured
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Post by greenblood on Apr 7, 2006 11:46:39 GMT -5
From everything I have heard Ainge say during the course of the season, especially since the Wally trade, I am expecting a major move by him this summer. If nothing else, I do believe he has a good grip on what he has now in Pierce, Wally, and the young guys. I have thought since last summer that this, if any was going to be the summer in which we will start hearing the Celtics mentioned in blockbuster deals instead of the smaller ones in which roles players are involved. He gave Pierce another chance to prove he can lead this team before he traded him for what surely would've been marginal value at best.
He obviously also has a good grip on the young guns on this team (which he couldn't have had last season) and who he wants to build with and who he does not. I am not so sure Jefferson is one of those guys. There is no doubt the kid has talent, but he definately lacks toughness, and I'm not just talking about his ability, or lack there of, to play through injuries. Even when he is healthy, almost all of his post moves are "soft". He either scores on wide open dunks or little jump hooks. He never takes the ball right to defenders, ala Elton Brand, nor does he grab alot of tough offensive rebounds and go back up strong, either through people or over them. He may develop this with time, but if he doesn't his trade value will plummet, and coupled with the injuries, be a tough guy to get a lot in return for.
On the other hand, if you watch Gerald Green play, you can just see now firey this kid is, and it is obvious that he has got serious b@lls. I mean, the way he will take it to the hoop, take shots, and demand the ball, even when Pierce is on the floor, just shows how competitive and confident he is. That, coupled with his physical abilty, is in my opinion, what will make him a special player. Now I haven't given up on Al, nor am I putting Gerald in the hall of fame, but if Al is going to reach his potential, he needs to take notes from his younger (hard to believe) colleague.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2006 12:37:55 GMT -5
From everything I have heard Ainge say during the course of the season, especially since the Wally trade, I am expecting a major move by him this summer. If nothing else, I do believe he has a good grip on what he has now in Pierce, Wally, and the young guys. I have thought since last summer that this, if any was going to be the summer in which we will start hearing the Celtics mentioned in blockbuster deals instead of the smaller ones in which roles players are involved. He gave Pierce another chance to prove he can lead this team before he traded him for what surely would've been marginal value at best. This team needs a PF who's reliable to put up big numbers on any given night so we aren't counting on our smaller players to pull the weight throughout the course of a game. Question is whose available? And what do we have to give up? For Big men: - Jermaine O'Neal 6'11" PF/C
Avg 18pts 8-9 rebs 2 blks per game PRO: Top 5 PF in the eastern conference if not all of the NBA. He can stretch the court and get you the rebounding production needed to compete for a title CON: Injuries are a major issue especially when you're giving max dollar for a guy who might not play 60 games a year.
- Al Harrington 6'9" SF/PF (Walker clone without the 300 3-pt attempts)
Avg 18.8 pts 6.8 rebs 1.2 stls PRO: Underrated player who can put big numbers on the offensive end. He can shoot the three and take 18 foot jumpers which will help stretch the court for a Paul Pierce or Perkins to drive in the middle. CON: Not a very good defender. His stats can be overrated especially playing for a very bad team.
- Nene Hilario PF/C
(injured all year PRO: Young PF/C prospect who has put up decent numbers (10pts 6 rebs) for the past 3 seasons. CON: Coming off a major injury and might not be as good as alot of people have indicated
We're looking giviing up future 1st round picks, our young prospect (Al/Allen/Green), and throw in Raef contracts so players like Nene or Harrington can get a fair market contract (roughly over 10 mil over 4 years).
If I had to make a deal I would trade Raef, a 1st round pick, and some 2nd rounders for Harrington or O'Neal.
Jefferson has the whole summer to work his body back into shape and try to add some more offensive arsenal over the summer. Supposively, Ainge and staff is putting Jefferson on a rigious workout program where he only gets 10 days off over this off-season. Hopefully he comes back as a whole new player. Green has definitely change the minds of most celtics especially with his play as of late. I'm hoping next year he'll see atleast 15-20 mins per game where he can just air it out. Possibly become our 6th man off the bench along with Allen.
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Post by freshnthehouse on Apr 7, 2006 14:23:33 GMT -5
Players like Nene and Harrington do nothing for me. Harrington has no position and Nene only cares about scoring. Let some other team overpay these turkeys.
The only moves I'd like to see us make are finding a vet PG on the cheap(kinda like waht Mark Jackson did for the Rockets a few years ago), and/or if the miraculous KG/Chris BOsh trade falls into our laps(Which it wont).
Why sign a MLE player? All it will do is muddle up our line-up and make it more difficult to resign our youngns. Our team will improve next year with the improvement of our youngns.
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