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Post by VI_CelticsFan on Mar 12, 2006 13:49:21 GMT -5
Q- I'm in the NTA crowd too.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2006 14:57:20 GMT -5
With Pierce and Doc on this team, Tanking will NEVER be an option. There shouldn't even be a debate right now about draft picks. I'm confident no matter where Ainge draft from we'll end up getting someone who will contribute to this team.
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Post by Celtic17 on Mar 12, 2006 22:17:09 GMT -5
I would bet DA has two players pegged for the draft right now. Under-the-radar type of players.
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Post by mev17 on Mar 13, 2006 2:42:53 GMT -5
We are still close enough to hope for the playoffs, which gives our developing players something to aim for and a chance to elevate their play during meaningful games. Plus for the relatively new core of West, Pierce, Wally, Gomes, Perkins, Raef, Jefferson to develop chemistry, they need to play several games together for a meaningful amount of minutes so they can learn each other's games and establish confidence in each other. It would make no sense to tank and wait until next year to develop chemistry between the core players.
Each game now becomes the most improtant game of the season, and IMO that beats tanking any day of the week!
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Post by freshnthehouse on Mar 13, 2006 3:45:26 GMT -5
I dont want us to tank, but Id much rather see us lose a few close games and end up in the 7-10 pick range, rather than getting embarrassed in the 1st round. FOr what its worth.
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Post by eja117 on Mar 13, 2006 16:04:31 GMT -5
i don't think getting swept by Detroit will develop a lot of chemistry
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2006 16:36:33 GMT -5
i don't think getting swept by Detroit will develop a lot of chemistry I don't think quitting the season helps chemistry either.
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Post by eja117 on Mar 13, 2006 16:54:48 GMT -5
I can agree to disagree, but not playing your young guys is a form of quitting. The team quit on GG this year. They quit on Ryan Gomes the whole year till injuries forced him to play and then it was just "oh look! He's actually good!" Forcing a gimpy kneed player to push ut 35 minutes a nite when there are young guys who could use the minutes is a form of quitting.
Would it really be that bad to let Jones get a few more minutes at the expense of Scala an Raef? Or Green get minutes instead of Tony Allen?
How about letting the WHOLE team play and see if the WHOLE team can make it to the playoffs. If they can good. If they can't then maybe they still need more help.
The teams ahead of us are playing young guys. TJ Ford and Bogut for Milwakee. Pretty much all the Bulls. Cause thieir young players will lead them to the champonship hopefully in 2-5 years, not their old ones.
Let's pretend Gomes hadn't played all season, and there had never been any injuries. Would it be bad for chemistry to let Gomes play? Of course not. Cause you find out he's better than you think and the young guys will be more happy if they get playing time.
Letting your young guys play more isn't quitting the season. Indeed the only reason we're in the situation we're in right now is cause the young guys are playing. Finally.
In a manner of speaking we had a similar argument over the summer about whether they should keep Gary Payton and Antoine or let them go and let the young guys play. How did that work out?
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Post by BCHISTORIAN on Mar 14, 2006 1:47:06 GMT -5
hey guys let the guys that play decide th play-offs! not us - the armchair heroes
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2006 2:04:40 GMT -5
GG had Davis/Pierce ahead of him on the depth chart(allen wasn't healthy at the time). So, we should give GG 1-2 minutes a game in junk time because it'll benefit him? I rather have him build his body and his basketball iq before I would consider giving him minutes. It's not like we have crap players ahead of him. BTW, Allen is a 2nd year player so either way you're playing a young inexperience player so you aren't quitting on the youth.
How does playing Wally 35 mins a game a form of Quitting? Yes, he isn't healthy at this juncture of the season but I wouldn't consider quitting unless you feel playing at all cost is the best route we should go into. You play the best player who will give the team best chance to win and if a humbly Wally is our best chance of winning then that doesnt' say much about how good Green or Allen could be if they get his minutes.
Far as the Gomes saga developed NO ONE knows why Doc didn't play him. Maybe, it was to showcase Mark Blount or it's to get Perk/Al minutes? Only thing I care about atleast Doc discovered that Gomes is a very talented player. So, its better to be late then never.
Scala will be seeing more DNPs with Al and Perk back from injury. Raef ironicly has been putting up big numbers for this team(except last game). Allen as well has shown signs of improvement as his hustle plays , rebounding, and defense has seem to return to last year form.
Or stay with the 10 man rotation they have going right now because Green and Jones aren't going to make much of a contribution even with minutes.
They might compete in the playoffs. Chicago has no go to guy and Milawkee flat out does not have the #1 option on offense player to go to unless you think Redd is the guy.
Lets not to mention if any of the elite teams play these two teams you'll see why Chicago/Bucks will not be competing a championship in 2-5 years. They still need a FRONT COURT and trust me neither chandler or bogut are going to take their team anywhere other than 8th seed in the playoff hunt.
I have no problem playing the young players because I know they're better than the veterans that were ahead of them. So, I'm not shocked that as soon as we made the blount trade it was going to take time before we realize what this trade did for us and that was make as a more tight unit.
Maybe Doc finally stop drinking the Mark Blount juice and finally realize you need to play defense and rebound in order to win down the stretch?
I wanted Toine gone because of Al Jefferson and Perkins. And thank god that's what this team decided to do. Now we have two players who are part of the future instead of just one of them. Far as payton goes, I thought it wouldn't hurt us if Payton played 1 more year before West can take over. Thank God West step up to the task and DD got hurt so we wouldn't see the milt palacio in the league dropping 20 points on us every night.
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Post by eja117 on Mar 14, 2006 17:11:40 GMT -5
This team will not win a championship this year. They won't even take Detroit to a decisive last game. Since this team won't win a championship it would be good to take a long term approach and let young guys play. Especially considering Pierce could be playing a lot over the next couple summers in international ball and not give his body a rest and Wally is risking injury.
We didn't get a chance to see what Gomes could do till he actually played and it's the same with every other player we have. Doc had no idea Gomes would do this and that's why he didn't get minutes.
If you can't get into the playoffs with GG getting 10-12 minutes a game then maybe you shouldn't be there. People are just getting excited because we haven't seen the Celts play this way in a long time. But you won't be seeing them play past round one anyway so look long term. Unless a first round sweep in the playoffs is that important to you. If you play the vets too hard things will take care of themselves. Wally or PP could get hurt and then you'll be seeing a lot of GG. Both vets have already acknowledged they may need off season surgery and if so it would be good for that offseason to start sooner.
I remember when Jordan gave up on his young guys in Washington. He thought he'd help them and instead crippled them for the present and future and it was pathetic.
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Post by Celtic17 on Mar 14, 2006 20:04:00 GMT -5
I remember when Jordan gave up on his young guys in Washington. He thought he'd help them and instead crippled them for the present and future and it was pathetic. All the more reason not to 'Tank It'... Even if we get beat in the first round, it gives the kids a taste of the play-offs. Maybe a bad taste they would like to clean from their mouth next season.
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Post by tjlamro on Mar 14, 2006 20:55:50 GMT -5
Not to tank! Draft is not worth tanking this year, I don't see any one player that I would be willing to outright lose for. Hey guys whats up... been a while since I have posted here, so busy with Celtics Pride... hopefully I can more and more.
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Post by sprash98 on Mar 14, 2006 23:19:07 GMT -5
I don't like tanking, but this team does not deserve the playoffs. I still want Doc to get canned soon so that we may get a real coach who preaches defense first. The whole up tempo offense does not exist for the Cs and they are becoming a bad jump shooting team. I hate Wally and his bum knee. He makes stupid plays just like Ricky and cant guard a chair. Get rid of him. No more no D playing white guys on this team.
The team quit tonight. It is a bad sign. And apparently, Pierce yelled at them for not being on the same page.
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