cfoo
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Post by cfoo on Jan 27, 2006 0:19:32 GMT -5
Losing Ricky and BAnks, we are without a 3rd pg right now considering Ricky could fill that spot at times. That is the only thing that worries me about this trade. West or Greene go down and we are in trouble at pg.
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Post by cfoo on Jan 27, 2006 0:23:40 GMT -5
A lot of good points there Greenblood.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jan 27, 2006 0:41:31 GMT -5
Here's a bit about the unknown Dwayne Jones:
Dwyane Jones, signed as an undrafted free agent by Minnesota on August 26, 2005, is averaging 9.3 points and 11.3 boards per game for the Florida Flame of the NBDL. The 6-11, 250-pound center ranked 5th in the nation in rebounding (11.6) and blocks (3.0), while averaging 10.1 points per game for St. Joseph's in 2004-05. An early entry candidate for the 2005 NBA Draft, Jones averaged 7.1 points and 8.5 boards per game in three seasons with St. Joseph's.
Hey, Delonte should like this signing, huh? Fellow St. Joe's alumnist.
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Post by mev17 on Jan 27, 2006 2:12:30 GMT -5
I can see the reasoning behind this trade: Wally, as stated above, is a better compliment to Pierce's game and commits slightly fewer turnovers. Plus his percentages are better than Davis' accross the board (FG, 3ptFG and FT). And as much as I hate his contract, it is shorter than Blount's and, unlike Raef, at least Wally puts up 20+ per game.
Probably being unable to unload Raef's contract, Ainge decided he wasn't going to make any big splashes in free agency, so he locked up a dead-eye shooter who has played in every game this year.
I am now presuming there will be no Pierce trade even contemplated. It would make no sense to bring in Wally and his contract if the plan was to trade Pierce for young athletes/draft picks and expiring contracts. Wally is clearly to compliment Pierce and spread the floor.
As to defense, remember we have Allen. If Pierce/Wally struggle on D, simply bring in Allen to lock up the other team's best perimeter player.
I am not in love with the trade due to Wally's contract, but can live with it as he is productive, it clears once and for all minutes for Perk at the C and Jefferson at PF (even if Raef makes some token starts, he has lately been playing less minutes than Al), and move out two of our top 3 violators as far as turnovers per game (Blount and Davis).
I will miss Ricky ALOT, and will always wonder "what if" regarding Banks; but as stated earlier Davis and Pierce were arguably duplicative of each other, and Greene made Banks expendable as our back-up PG. In fact, with West's emergence IMO Banks was good as gone anyway, as I doubt he would have been happy as a back-up, whereas Greene will accept that role.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jan 27, 2006 2:43:34 GMT -5
On NBAtv, one of the guys sort of speculated that Pierce could be gone this summer. I also think this is a likely scenario if we struggle this year. He will probably ask to be traded, much like last summer (when he was almost traded to the Blazers, had he accepted).
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Post by FLCeltsFan on Jan 27, 2006 7:50:47 GMT -5
Losing Ricky and BAnks, we are without a 3rd pg right now considering Ricky could fill that spot at times. That is the only thing that worries me about this trade. West or Greene go down and we are in trouble at pg. Considering we had him in camp and signed him to a contract already, we could call up Will Bynum for a 10 day contract or for the rest of the year. He seems to be tearing it up in the D League.
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Post by eja117 on Jan 27, 2006 8:36:21 GMT -5
I don't understand why we need another pg when we have Dickau. Not that I like him.
I like the trade. Wally is $4-5 more than Blount, but he is also a little better than Ricky. Neither player wins you a championship, but Wally gets you closer. Wally may cost more, but we clear out Ricky's contract, Banks' contract, Reed's contract, and Kandis' contract, and only pick up a D-leaguer with "sucks right now" (I use that phrase instead of the p word which should not be used), also we get a good 1rst rnd pick. It's a pretty decent trade.
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Post by FLCeltsFan on Jan 27, 2006 9:39:21 GMT -5
I don't understand why we need another pg when we have Dickau. Not that I like him. We don't need one now, but I think the concern was what happens if either of the two we have now is injured in the second half of the season. Dickau isn't available right now and that is why I suggested 10 day contract for Bynum. It would get us through without having to sign a long term PG.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jan 27, 2006 10:22:43 GMT -5
How soon can we turn around and trade Olowokandi? Is there a three month rule? or is that just for free agent acquisitions?
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Post by VI_CelticsFan on Jan 27, 2006 12:33:24 GMT -5
I have mixed feelings about this trade. I'm very happy to get rid of Blount. I think that Wally will fit in well here, but I'm sad to see Ricky go. Now I just have to learn how to spell Wally's last name! ;D
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Post by ferbo on Jan 27, 2006 12:33:32 GMT -5
He is likely to get cut.
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Post by ferbo on Jan 27, 2006 12:43:27 GMT -5
Oneof the benefits of the trade is t hat it clears 2 guys out who had fallen out of favor, and ahd no future witht he club. That is bound to be good for chemistry. For the same reason, I expect DA to cut Kandyman.
Will be interesting to see if Gomes starts getting some minutes at the 3.
Wil also be interesting to see if, with the decline in numbers, DA brings Green back from NC.
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Post by FLCeltsFan on Jan 27, 2006 13:26:56 GMT -5
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Post by eddietours on Jan 27, 2006 13:39:49 GMT -5
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Post by Ossric on Jan 27, 2006 13:52:39 GMT -5
ok, it seems that we have to pull one of this monster deals once a year. As always, it's hard for me to say who got the better end of the deal.
Obviously, this is a 4 player trade, the rest is of no importance. I like having Olo since he's an expiring contract. I'm not so happy with getting Wally has his bloated 4 year contract. Still, no matter how bad his contract may be, at least we get some thing in return on the playing field unlike Blonut, who just ate his contract & didn't give a (censored) about playing.
If you followed the rumors lately, there wasn't a trade that we could pull of to get rid of blonut without taking on an equally bad contract. Memphis, as the latest example didn't want him without us taking on Cardinal's contract. At least now, we have a bad contract that can still provide meaningfull game on the field.
Loosing Davis is a high price, he was a spectacular player to watch, a model employee with a highly beneficial contract. Surely we could have gotten a better player in return if we traded Davis straight up, but we would never have gotten rid of Blonut.
So, how does this change our game? As stated before, Wally is more of a spot shooter. This will leave more room in the middle. He doesn't have the creativity, the speed or the ball handling skills that Davis has, so our play will become less erratic, more set play oriented. It will slow down our offense. All these points seem to point (at least to me) that Perk & Al will become more involved in the offense.
What does this all bring us for the future? Will we be better of with this deal? Right now, i really have no idea but i'm just relieved to be rid of Mark "Zulu lip" "Jumbo ears" "Stone hands" "What's a rebound?" freaking BLONUT!
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