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Post by DERRENMATTS on May 17, 2022 19:34:49 GMT -5
My guess is they're still pretty high on him, despite the injuries. i think we'd have to offer something like Neismith, a future first (unprotected), and a future pick swap. And even then i doubt they'd go for it unless they end up drafting one of the premier power forwards at the top of this years draft class. Isaac has crazy two-way potential. ORL gets the #1 pick, and there are 3 big men at the top -- Pauolo Banchero, Chet Holmgren and Jabari Smith (though Smith is more a 4/3). In the event that they take Banchero or Holmgren, wonder if they cut ties with Jonathan Isaac?
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Post by DERRENMATTS on May 17, 2022 22:03:01 GMT -5
Brad, please take good notes. We need rebounders and bucket getters.
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Post by freshnthehouse on May 18, 2022 1:51:32 GMT -5
My guess is they're still pretty high on him, despite the injuries. i think we'd have to offer something like Neismith, a future first (unprotected), and a future pick swap. And even then i doubt they'd go for it unless they end up drafting one of the premier power forwards at the top of this years draft class. Isaac has crazy two-way potential. ORL gets the #1 pick, and there are 3 big men at the top -- Pauolo Banchero, Chet Holmgren and Jabari Smith (though Smith is more a 4/3). In the event that they take Banchero or Holmgren, wonder if they cut ties with Jonathan Isaac? I saw that. Unless something crazy happens they'll be taking a 4. Interesting to see what they plan to do with Isaac.
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Post by jmost on May 18, 2022 8:46:23 GMT -5
I think we need shooting more than anything else right now.
Rob is basically a non-shooter. He can and does hit the 15 footer but he's reluctant to take it.
White stops shooting if he misses his first couple.
Nesmith has lost his cool.
None of those guys are lost causes, but they need to step up.
It's too easy for good defensive teams to load up on Tatum when you have multiple non-shooters out there with him.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on May 18, 2022 11:28:57 GMT -5
Shooting (or a lack thereof) has been our downfall this season. When our shots are falling, we are dominant. But when we struggle (like Tatum did early in the season) and guys like Pritch, Horford, and GWill can't hit the side of a barn, it's a big burden on Tatum and Jaylen to do more.
Yes, shooting is a need. Maybe it can be internally upgraded (Hauser, Stauskas). If not, we need a bucket getter.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on May 18, 2022 20:38:09 GMT -5
Fresh, looking at ORL's roster, they have Wendell Carter Jr, Mo Bamba, Jonathan Isaac, and Franz Wagner (who can play PF in a small ball lineup). If they draft another big one has gotta think they're giving up one.
Wendell Carter is interesting -- remember his draft comp was Horford-lite.
Between him and Isaac, wonder if Brad is calling their front office to gauge the going price.
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Post by jrmzt on May 20, 2022 20:05:47 GMT -5
Fresh, looking at ORL's roster, they have Wendell Carter Jr, Mo Bamba, Jonathan Isaac, and Franz Wagner (who can play PF in a small ball lineup). If they draft another big one has gotta think they're giving up one. Wendell Carter is interesting -- remember his draft comp was Horford-lite. Between him and Isaac, wonder if Brad is calling their front office to gauge the going price. Wendell Carter does have quite abit of an injury history. It would be a risk giving up too much to get him. But I agree, I'd still make the call to find out. If he can play on our roster with Horford mentoring, I can see a long future for him with us. In fact, I want Boston to start thinking about hiring Horford as an assistant coach. As a mentor and his level of basketball IQ, you could see him being quite successful.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on May 20, 2022 21:28:00 GMT -5
Horford needs to poir out all his knowledge into Ron and Grant.
Read today that ORL may move on from Mo Bamba.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on May 21, 2022 22:26:03 GMT -5
This team has a bunch of core guys who can be hot and cold -- Marcus Smart, Jaylen and Tatum primarily, but Horford can put up a double double one night and a 9 and 4 stat line the next game.
GWill can drain 7 threes one game, and not even attempt 7 shots the next. Pritchard can look good one game, and invisible the next. Same with DWhite and Theis.
We need more consistency from our core players.
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Post by jmost on May 21, 2022 22:37:36 GMT -5
We have a lot of dead wood on this team, even among the rotation players. Strus, a guy we cut, scored more than Theis, White, GWill and Pritch put together. That's embarrassing.
But lack of consistency is a problem up and down the roster. Does this team only play well when they have to? That's a very dangerous game.
I'm pretty disgusted with them right now.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on May 21, 2022 23:50:42 GMT -5
We have a lot of dead wood on this team, even among the rotation players. Strus, a guy we cut, scored more than Theis, White, GWill and Pritch put together. That's embarrassing. But lack of consistency is a problem up and down the roster. Does this team only play well when they have to? That's a very dangerous game. I'm pretty disgusted with them right now. I agree. We have to know what we're getting from player X night in and night out. Part of me wants to say that this team is still learning Ime's system. Being under Brad for so long, it'll take time for a new system to be second nature. They've done well to accept and thrive with it, but now it has to become automatic.
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Post by jmost on May 22, 2022 6:58:18 GMT -5
I don't think that's it. Tatum and Brown have both had games where they looked like they hadn't slept in a week AND had been given some powerful narcotic. Brown's was Game 1 vs MIL and Tatum last night. Tatum also had that stretch in Q3 of Game 1.
I understand missing shots. We saw even Larry Bird have terrible shooting nights. But we've never seen a Celtic team give the ball away in such an ugly, often unforced and self-destructive way. Over and over and over again. What is that? It's not the system. It's a lack of focus and poise. Forcing passes that aren't there.
MIA must feel that all they have to do is apply pressure and we'll buckle.
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Post by eja117 on May 22, 2022 8:25:39 GMT -5
I'm looking at the 2008 roster and the pieces.
KG>Tatum Pierce>Jaylen Ray > Horford Rondo < Smart Perkins> Rob Will
But to me it's the bench
Pritchard > House Grant Williams > Powe D White < Tony Allen Theis < PJ Brown
We have nothing resembling Glen Davis, Leon Powe, or especially James Posey. 08 also had a plucky Sam Cassell
We need three strong bench pieces.
We basically need some internal growth. Need to point to Nesmith, Stauskas, and Hauser and say "If one of you can become Duncan Robinson or Pat Connaughton you'll make a lot of money in this league. If you don't this summer you'll be gone."
Then you gotta sign some difference makers. And you gotta try to swing for the fences with that second rounder. I saw on NBAdraft.net Drew Time of Gonzaga was supposed to go with the 2nd to last pick. We're projected to pick Brady Manek (I think that's his name) from UNC. The lumber jack guy. To me both of those guys have the chance to be better than Theis. We don't need an all star. We just need 15 minutes a night of pestering plucky hard nosed annoying swarming play. Like what the Heat do.
Then you gotta make phone calls to the Kyle Andersons of the world. We can't have Al Horford playing 30 minutes a game for 75 games next year. We have to get him and Rob Williams down into the 20s.
And we have to get D White and Pritchard to watch a ton of video of Kyle Lowry and other really really good defensive guards. They have to start owning the floor. Nothing below chest height is safe around Lowry. We need our pgs to be like that.
Also Jaylen has GOT to get better at dribbling, and Tatum has got to put on another 7 pounds of muscle. He has to start looking a little more like Giannis and less like a marathon runner.
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Post by jmost on May 22, 2022 9:37:50 GMT -5
For Jaylen, I don't know that's it's a question of getting better at dribbling (which would help too) as much as it should be to do LESS dribbling. Putting the ball on the floor against a ball-hawking team like MIA is a recipe for disaster unless you are an exceptional dribbler. Jaylen has come a long, long way but I don't think he'll ever be a truly good ball handler.
For Jayson, I think it's lack of smarts more than lack of muscle. He was making lazy exterior passes and forcing interior passes that just weren't there. Just terrible decision making.
We talk about hanging our hat on our D, but the easiest way to ruin your D is to have 23! turnovers, many of which lead to easy fast break points for your opponent. Miami had 8 turnovers. 23-8. They had 19 steals to our 2! That's the whole story of this game.
It's not about the system, or shooting, or rebounding or our D or anything other than taking care of the ball.
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Post by eja117 on May 22, 2022 11:46:45 GMT -5
For Jaylen, I don't know that's it's a question of getting better at dribbling (which would help too) as much as it should be to do LESS dribbling. Putting the ball on the floor against a ball-hawking team like MIA is a recipe for disaster unless you are an exceptional dribbler. Jaylen has come a long, long way but I don't think he'll ever be a truly good ball handler. For Jayson, I think it's lack of smarts more than lack of muscle. He was making lazy exterior passes and forcing interior passes that just weren't there. Just terrible decision making. We talk about hanging our hat on our D, but the easiest way to ruin your D is to have 23! turnovers, many of which lead to easy fast break points for your opponent. Miami had 8 turnovers. 23-8. They had 19 steals to our 2! That's the whole story of this game. It's not about the system, or shooting, or rebounding or our D or anything other than taking care of the ball. I would agree with almost all of that but at some point you have to be able to put the ball on the floor and drive to the hoop and get where you need to go. And you have to do it without the ball getting stolen.
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