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Post by cf0022 on Jan 31, 2022 17:24:17 GMT -5
If we can move Horford's deal plus Romeo, Nesmith and the memphis pick plus ours come draft time or even before that, I think you have to make that deal. Smart, Jaylen and Tatum don't even have to be dealt. Shroder we can sign and trade potentially and let Pritchard take over as well and use our 2nd round picks to replace the guys we lost. Beal is a much better scorer than Hayward or Kemba ever were. I think these other deals aren't happening because the celtics aren't going to take back middling players in return right now.
Let Washington go in the tank not us. The reason these deals aren't happening yet is because teams are waiting things out as far as the best value they can get and as far as players. We'd be short 2 players and have to sign a couple scrubs off the waiver wire which I don't think is the issue. It's more just teams are waiting it out.
I still think Beal is the ultimate target for the C's right now. Whether they trade for him remains to be seen. I don't see the celtics making any major moves until the dust settles there though.
I think with Smart it's more about him playing the same way every game. Same with Williams. Not saying we won't deal Smart. The Pats let Lagarrette Blount go and got him back. But I still don't think that is the priority. IF we could get a 4 for him we would probably make a move but I don't see it. They are waiting it out.
BRadley Beal basically is our Jamychael Green. I still think the Celtics will let it play out. Ainge drafts on upside. Romeo still has that but it's capped somewhat because of injuries and they will let it play out. Nesmith was the same thing. Best shooter they could draft in the middle of the draft. We want players maximizing their potential like i said. I think Romeo and Nesmith are pretty much what they are and decent but not Bradley Beal. Their upside is more avery bradley.
We are hoping Beal comes here ebcause he's friends with Tatum and forces a trade here in ways much like KG did once Ray came here. Except we just need Beal right now.
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Post by jmost on Jan 31, 2022 17:35:25 GMT -5
We need a shortstop.
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Post by cf0022 on Jan 31, 2022 17:36:17 GMT -5
I'm not saying Beal comes here or we are banking on him. We have 3 scenarios how we can build like I said. He's not the end all be all. But he's plan A.
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Post by cf0022 on Jan 31, 2022 17:37:04 GMT -5
Beal is a better short stop than Hayward or Kemba is the thing. Much like Bobby Witt Jr on the kc royals and why they are going to be good too if they play their cards right. They've been throwing their picks at pitching and college pitchers. They will be good in a few too if they do that and spend some money on free agents and make smart deals.
Difference between a middling team and superbowl champions.
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Post by jmost on Jan 31, 2022 17:40:15 GMT -5
Smart would be better if he developed a slider. The internet disagrees with me though.
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Post by cf0022 on Jan 31, 2022 18:05:20 GMT -5
The way SMart is playing right now is really fine. He just has to play like this more consistently. I'm fine with the whole Lagarrette Blount, James white thing as long as Smart does that. Pritchard is basically Danny Whitehead or Kevin Faulk.
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Post by cf0022 on Jan 31, 2022 18:34:56 GMT -5
Besides Bird played power forward early in his career before they got the big 3. Tatum can do that. We have Grant Williams, Kanter and Bol Bol. It's not ideal but Beal should be plan A right now. And it doesn't really mean we are trading Smart.
I think that should be secondary anyways. Collins was killing us in the hawks game. Horford was on the bench anyways. We also didn't put Tatum on him. It was Jaylen guarding him Schroder was playing center boxing out Okongu.
Simplest solution is to start Grant Williams in Horford's spot which we have been doing anyways and bring Beal off the bench.
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Post by cf0022 on Jan 31, 2022 18:48:15 GMT -5
PG-Smart SG-Jaylen SF-Tatum PF-Grant Williams C-Williams
B-Schroder - may leave B-Prithcard B-Beal B-Jrich B-Kanter B-Bol BOl
Our second round picks can be used to replace Romeo and Nesmith. We also have Begarin overseas. Never forget him plus Hauser. Trade our first and the memphis pick plus Romeo and Nesmith plus Horford for Beal. If Smart needs to be dealt so be it, but I'm not there yet. Celtics are just guaging his value.
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Post by cf0022 on Jan 31, 2022 18:53:01 GMT -5
The wizards may want more for Beal as it stands and making deals is about getting what they want in return for all we know right now. He's going to walk possibly so it's them that is under the gun as much as us. Obviously if he decides to stay in Washington it's all moot. But he isn't a super max player I don't think or he may be because he won a scoring title? I don't know.
Did Beal win the scoring title last year? I thik he did? But supermax is for mvp's. I'm not sure about scoring title. I think it's that too?
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jan 31, 2022 18:54:14 GMT -5
Ok, so
RWill Tatum Jaylen Beal ?? (Smart?)
I could buy into that lineup, especially if we can get a better PG than Smart.
But Smart could work too, if he becomes the type of PG we need him to be.
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Post by cf0022 on Jan 31, 2022 19:01:59 GMT -5
It would be the lineup i posted Derren. Although Beal would probably start some games. That's a championship team. Just by trading for Beal. Whether we can get him for that I don't know. We may have to deal Smart. But we are just guaging his value right now.
The internet is lying to us all.
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Post by cf0022 on Jan 31, 2022 19:18:14 GMT -5
The celtics brought in kanter and Bol Bol because they want players with length and who can rebound. In the event we lose Horford. We have been starting Grant Williams at PF quite a bit this year because they are developing him there and he would be the logical choice to take over if we lose Horford.
Beal would come off the bench. He would start some games and give us 3 wings and crazy scorers in Jaylen, Tatum and Beal. But Grant Williams would start at PF most games.
He's be that extra scorer we need. Note how i broke down our lineup before. He would go with Jrich. Schroder we might lose goes with Pritchard. Kanter and Bol Bol go together.
Smart we are guaging his value because Washington may want more in a deal. Beal may still not leave. We don't know yet.
But our 2nd round picks we can basically replace Romeo and Langford. We have Begarin and Hauser. Dozier etc, etc...
The memphis pick, our pick Romeo, Nesmith and Horford are expendable in a trade right now to get a player like Beal. It might take more than that. And there are only so many Bradley Beals. Smart is in trade talks because we are guaging his value.
We want to deal Horford sooner rather than later because otherwise we lose that money. So a deal is going to be made sooner rather than later. If it can't be we will go another direction.
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Post by cf0022 on Jan 31, 2022 19:25:43 GMT -5
If Beal can't be had we may go after Harrison Barnes still too. But the goal is to get Beal. Or Booker or a player like that ultimately. Booker is not on the block currently. We may do an in between but again it has to make sense. Until that dies. Then we may go another direction. The goal is to get Beal though.
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Post by cf0022 on Jan 31, 2022 19:32:29 GMT -5
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Post by jrmzt on Jan 31, 2022 22:33:10 GMT -5
Ok, so RWill Tatum Jaylen Beal ?? (Smart?) I could buy into that lineup, especially if we can get a better PG than Smart. But Smart could work too, if he becomes the type of PG we need him to be. I'm struggling to see that lineup working. Looks good on paper but lack of possessions, speed of play, clashing playing styles..a good coach has to come in and make it work. OR it takes unselfish behaviour the way Lebron, Wade and Bosh bought into their system and accepted lesser roles than they each had before they joined the Heat.
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