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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jan 28, 2022 14:44:31 GMT -5
There is an outside chance that we re-sign Schroeder this summer and give him a contract extension that he's happy with -- but I think it's not as likely as Brad trading him before the deadline. He's been good with this team, but not great.
Brad is seeking offers for him, and we're all hoping for a good return. What do guys anticipate we'll get for DS? A TPE? A couple of 2nd picks? A player of his caliber?
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Post by cf0022 on Jan 28, 2022 16:42:02 GMT -5
I think Shroder stays unless we decide to go another direction. He is the most likely candidate to be moved but compliments smart well. He's just not a great playmaker. Decent though. He can score and is fast. I like him so far honestly. We haven't really used him like we should. He was really good early in the year but it's more because he was out there when we really should have been going big. We are a better team when Horford is in there and Shroder comes off the bench to give us that extra gear.
Shroder really needs to be the guy who comes in and gives us that extra gear. Like i said before we haven't even figured out how to utilize Schroder yet. If Smart plays aggressive to start games with Horford and Williams and Tatum and Brown out there. And shroder comes in and gives us that extra gear that's what we want.
You go big and small depending on matchups too. But the team has to consistantly play good defense and be aggressive, move the ball etc, etc... It takes time. I think if anything we could use a piece off our bench and an additional scorer. Jrich hasn't been that to this point either.
I really don't see this team doing much but could be wrong especially if we continue to play well and with a target on our backs. To me it's not about moving so and so. It's more about targetting players we actually want and unless those deals happen no deal will be made. The internet is too much reactionary vs actionary that way.
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Post by cf0022 on Jan 28, 2022 17:09:42 GMT -5
To me it's more what are we going to get from Shroder. It really depends. I wouldn't be surprised to see us wait it out and try to get an extra piece. Schroder is really not a bad fit on this team as it stands. To me early on he played really well but we weren't really utilizing him correctly. He should be coming off the bench and depending on matchups to give us that extra gear. We could use another scorer to go with him but Jrich hasn't really been given a shot either too much.
It depends on what we can get really. I would be targetting certain players like i said. I wouldn't necessarily be trading guys.
It's a shame too because we never fully get to see what these guys can do because they change teams so much. And people are just trying to get paid and not improving and people wonder why.
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Post by cf0022 on Jan 28, 2022 17:35:45 GMT -5
He doesn't even know his role yet and I can't even spell his name correctly yet lol. But seriously Schroder. I thought it was just me. He's got one of those symbols above the o. I would not give him away i know that much. He's got value and is going to want to get paid most likely. He has to prove he can play in a role though on this team if we are going to re-up him. He proved he can play first half. But it wasn't amounting to wins because he was more just out there adding scoring and other guys weren't playing. 2nd half he has to prove he can win some games. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Schr%C3%B6derHe's german. I'm also not saying there aren't better players I wouldn't trade him for. He's most likely going to want to get paid this offseason. We may not be able to pay him and it's as simple as that. Schroder and Jrich are somewhat middling players. There are better players in this league. I still like what I have seen from him. What I don't like is he has to do that off the bench and he's not the best playmaker in the world thus far and needs to be better within the team that way. He also may want a lot of money.
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Post by cf0022 on Jan 28, 2022 17:51:48 GMT -5
Thing is I really have no issue paying schroder. It's not my money but it is at the same time living in this state and the cost of living. But he's gotta be that guy off the bench and it has to be a somewhat decent contract. And like i said there are better players than him. But he's a good fit as it stands to lead the second unit and start depending on match ups. He has to prove he can play that role and improve his playmaking himself. He has proved he can play. He has not proved he can play that role.
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Post by freshnthehouse on Jan 28, 2022 18:13:57 GMT -5
We don't have Schroder's bird rights (since he only signed a one year deal) so it may be down right impossible for us to match what he can get on the open market. Y'all know where i stand on this. I hope we move Schroder (and Richardson, Smart, etc) for cap flexibility and picks.
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Post by cf0022 on Jan 28, 2022 18:17:56 GMT -5
This is the thing though Fresh. We get cap space anyways vs trading him for some crap player. To me these players simply need to play better and then we can worry about paying them. Schroder is not the end of teh world. What we can get on the open market also more important.
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Post by cf0022 on Jan 28, 2022 18:22:19 GMT -5
Boston strong. To me it always has been and always will be about coming froma position of strength not weakness. It's what you build on and unless you are trying to really rebuild and do something else trading players for crap makes no sense and costs years and money. The internet is terrible that way. Most of these people are not even from here and the ones that are in the media are warped that way anyways.
Players sometimes suck it happens. Boston can be full of aholes too sometimes. Why it's important to get the most out of these guys right now. How we do that I think people get confused.
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Post by jmost on Jan 28, 2022 18:29:18 GMT -5
I hope we get more than second round picks for him, but I know he'd be a rental player, so it may be hard.
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Post by freshnthehouse on Jan 29, 2022 3:10:55 GMT -5
This is the thing though Fresh. We get cap space anyways vs trading him for some crap player. To me these players simply need to play better and then we can worry about paying them. Schroder is not the end of teh world. What we can get on the open market also more important. We still won't have any cap space next year without Schroder, unless we're able to move Smart, Richardson, etc, at the trade deadline. Right now, without Schroder, we are looking at a payroll of 139 million next year. The salary cap is estimated at 119. So we'd have to do a lot of work to get under the cap.
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Post by jrmzt on Jan 29, 2022 21:29:14 GMT -5
Most of the talk is around moving Smart and packaging Schroeder to go with him (or just letting him play out his 1 year). Cs desperately want to get under the cap judging by their recent moves.
I think we move Smart at the deadline and take on an expiring matching salary + picks. For a better pick, we might also throw in Romeo, Pritch or Schroder. Or maybe Grant.
I could see a few teams feeling like they're a move away from being a contender and just need a defensive player to get them over the hump. Cavs come to mind. You could see them looking very good with Garland, Smart, Mobley, Allan and whenever Sexton gets back. We might get back Okoro if we're lucky.
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Post by cf0022 on Jan 29, 2022 21:30:15 GMT -5
I think we want to add pieces to this team. How we do that is the debate. I see it totally differently i get that.
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