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Post by The Eye of the Q is upon you! on Jan 14, 2006 0:09:21 GMT -5
was witnessed at the Wachovia Center tonight as the Celtics flat out gave away a game that 28 other NBA teams would have easily won.
The turnovers, the bad shots, and the repeated dumb mental error plays time and again by the hapless Celtics allowed a team that was playing abyssmally in their own right to win a game they had no business winning.
The Celtics are in complete and utter disarray. They will end up the worst team in the entire NBA before all is said and done. I don't like anyone on the team right now except Delonte West. Start with him, Allen, Jefferson, and Perkins. Keep Scalabrine for stability. The rest of them need to go.......
Ainge is responsible for this mess he has created. Doc has also come up short. Pierce, LaFrentz, Davis, and Blonut are simply losers and always will be losers.
Reed should have gotten in there at some point. Where has Gomes gone. Banks is an idiot.
Hell, we won't win 30 games this year. We are not an NBA team.
I just don't like this team one bit. They stink.
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Post by freshnthehouse on Jan 14, 2006 5:09:39 GMT -5
Man, you guys take these games hard. They arent gonna be the worst team in the league. Paul Pierce is still a good player. Ricky Davis is a good player. The sky isnt falling.
Ive been saying it all along: As long as they try hard and stay competitive, I'm happy. However, They gots to move a big to open up minutes for AlJ.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jan 14, 2006 5:28:21 GMT -5
I'd like to make a few comments.
I think I see Doc's problem--he's trying to win. Instead of using this year to develop young players, he's trying to win as many games as he can. That's why he uses Ricky and Pierce an exhorbent amount of minutes every game (like 60+ minutes for Ricky tonight) instead of getting Tony Allen in the game. That's why he uses Blount so much, instead of the young Perkins, because Blount is a veteran.
Tonight's loss made a big statement in my eyes. I watched both teams and looked at the players who really wanted to win. Iverson and Ricky Davis were the players who stood out (so did Scalabrine and Delonte). They came out of the huddles with determination. Their eyes were locked onto the attainable goal (which, in this case, was a victory). They were dead on serious about pulling out the win, and if anyone can read body languages, it was clear to see that these two guys were speaking with their actions. Granted, Ricky took some bad shots, but he was letting his determination lead by example.
We lost this game because we went away from sharing the ball, and instead (remorsfully), we resorted to playing individual basketball--one and done. Its like the players cracked under the pressure and instinctively started playing the way they know how--one on one basketball.
I thought it was a bad move to take the ball out of Delonte's hands. Ricky was bringing the ball up the court a lot, and this basically forced Delonte to be nothing more than a spot up shooter (and they never got him the ball), and it force Ricky to create his own shots.
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Post by cfoo on Jan 14, 2006 8:14:00 GMT -5
I don't think Doc is trying to win. How do you explain him repeatedly pulling Perk at the end of games? Only to be repeatedly be one and done, give up countless second chances, not to mention Blount's turnovers. Perk had a double double was playing great last night and got pulled with 2 minutes left. I dont think the C"s got an offensive rebound after that, although Blount did play fairly well in last night's game at least. Anyhow, I think Doc is trying to protect the young players although eventually he has to get sick of the losing and go with the players that give him the best chance to win.
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Post by Roadrunner on Jan 14, 2006 12:25:45 GMT -5
I said this a few games into the season...Doc can't be playing P2, and RD 40 minutes a game. Too much time for an 82 game season.
Part of me thinks Doc is trying to win, and play the rooks at the same time.
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Post by cfoo on Jan 14, 2006 12:52:55 GMT -5
Maybe Doc is just inept. I can't understand why we didn't foul when Korver hit that shot.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jan 14, 2006 18:57:00 GMT -5
Doc plays Blount, in favor of Perkins, because of 2 things: 1) because he has more veteran experience, which, in Doc's mind, holds more value than a guy who can actually rebound the ball, and 2) because he feels that Perk might make a mistake out there in a crucial part of the game that would cost us the game (ironically, Blount has been the biggest culprit of this exact crime in many of our losses).
If Doc wasn't geared to win as many games as possible, he'd be giving a lot more time to Perk, Jefferson, Allen, Orien, and Banks (though getting Gomes and Reed time will prove to be very difficult), even at the expense of losing a lot of games we may have won. If Ainge is going to keep this team intact, the young guys will need to develop their games, and they can't develop while sititng on the bench. They can't develop with Pierce and Ricky logging in a ton of minutes.
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Post by FLCeltsFan on Jan 14, 2006 19:10:39 GMT -5
Good points Derrenmatts. Doc says he plays the vets because they know how to win. I wonder how long it is going to take for him to realize that they AREN'T winning. Ricky especially and PP are playing way too many minutes. Ricky would be more effective on defense if he didn't have to play so many minutes. He is either holding back so he has something left at the end or so tired he has nothing left at the end. Blount just isn't getting it done. He is averaging more turnovers than rebounds. That is sad. Raef has been playing terrible lately. I would much rather have Raef on the IL and Gomes given a chance to prove himself. He was doing some nice things before Doc shelved him. Greene is developing. Perk has been playing great lately but still hasn't gotten the minutes he should. West has developed as well as he has because he has gotten the playing time to do so. I believe that most of the other kids have the same kind of talent and just need the same kind of playing time to prove it.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jan 14, 2006 19:26:02 GMT -5
Doc says he plays the vets because they know how to win.
That, right there, says it all. This season is not about winning--even Ainge has said that. Its about development of our young players and developing our team chemistry. No matter how many games we win this year, we will still not amount to being a contender. We are still years away from being a contender. We won't get to that point until Perkins controls his game to be on the floor longer, until Jefferson can be counted on to get us points in the paint when we need them, until Orien develops into a reliable backup PG, until Tony Allen harnesses his vast athletic gifts and develops a steady jumper, and until Gomes becomes a backup SF we can rely on to give us some scoring and rebounding.
Relying on Raef, Blount, Pierce, and Ricky to win us a lot of games has proven to be ineffective. We need the help of the young guys, but without development, they are only going to be occasional contributors. And at the rate Doc is handing out minutes to the young guys, they still won't be ready to be consistent producers next year, meaning we probably won't make big strides from this year till next.
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Post by Roadrunner on Jan 14, 2006 22:34:34 GMT -5
Like a great billboard I read in my days in Mass, "well done is always better than well said." Doc plays the vets because they know how to win, however they do not win.
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Post by The Eye of the Q is upon you! on Jan 15, 2006 23:51:40 GMT -5
Doc is a coach and winning games is his business just like O'Brien did in his tenure here. I think Doc is in this for the long haul with the understanding that the team will be turned over to the Ainge draftees at some point. I'm not sure how long Doc's contract is for but Pierce, RD, and Blount are not making the players better. West is on the other hand is becoming the leader of this team. RD is trying on the defensive end but still makes dumb decisions on the offensive end. Pierce and Blount appear to be showcasing themselves for a career move. I would be surprised to see either of them here after a month. At this point, you have a 100% turnover in everyone below Ainge on the Celtics org chart since he walked through the door as the Celtics basketball Czar [with the possible exception of Chris (we don't use a PG in our system and we traded Joe Forte for financial reasons) Wallace and Leo (Kedrick Brown) Papile].
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jan 16, 2006 18:45:27 GMT -5
Rivers did mention that if Ainge could have his way, he'd make changes every other day (not exactly word for word, but in that vein). He cannot organize a team that way, but IMO, he's learning.
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