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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jul 13, 2021 18:39:40 GMT -5
I'm going back and forth on what I want Brad to do with Marcus Smaht.
The optimistic side of me says Udoka is going to straighten Marcus out, and Smart's defense and passing will be what stands out in every game.
The pessimistic side says Marcus is going to think he's the 3rd best player and will act like it.
Udoka is a defensive minded coach, so I think he's going to want Marcus on the team.
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Post by meangreen on Jul 13, 2021 19:12:20 GMT -5
I'm not as down/concerned about Smart as some...I think he helps/adds way more than he hurts. He takes too many 3s for my liking sometimes in bad spots but that's the league now & the product that's put out there so for me unless a team came at me w/a a deal that I couldn't refuse or I just had to get rid of him I'd keep him...
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Post by afceltic on Jul 13, 2021 20:16:24 GMT -5
I am the opposite, I would get rid of him for a basket full of balls. I think his defense is vastly overrated and his offense is terrible. Trade him while he is still overrated by the league.
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Post by jmost on Jul 13, 2021 20:23:20 GMT -5
If you could guarantee me that Udoka would demand Smart be smarter about where he shoots from, how often, and under what conditions, and that Smart would comply, I'd be more inclined to want to keep him for the things he does well. But as it stands now, I want him traded. I've seen no evidence of any growth in this area his whole career, and it drives me crazy.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jul 13, 2021 22:19:20 GMT -5
I heard a stat that shows Smart is a much better 3 pt shooter from the corner (or was it just a certain corner). And that he's not efficient straight away. Something like that, but you get the jist.
Tell Marcus play to his strengthd and avoid taking shots that aren't from his spot, and that could make him more valuable to us.
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Post by afceltic on Jul 14, 2021 9:04:40 GMT -5
I heard a stat that shows Smart is a much better 3 pt shooter from the corner (or was it just a certain corner). And that he's not efficient straight away. Something like that, but you get the jist. Tell Marcus play to his strengthd and avoid taking shots that aren't from his spot, and that could make him more valuable to us. But he is about to get a pay raise that will likely put him around the 20M range. A guy as limited and with so many "if he does this, he could be useful" questions about his game isn't worth that amount of money. That is why I keep on saying to getting rid of him now is our best and only option.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jul 14, 2021 9:29:45 GMT -5
I heard a stat that shows Smart is a much better 3 pt shooter from the corner (or was it just a certain corner). And that he's not efficient straight away. Something like that, but you get the jist. Tell Marcus play to his strengthd and avoid taking shots that aren't from his spot, and that could make him more valuable to us. But he is about to get a pay raise that will likely put him around the 20M range. A guy as limited and with so many "if he does this, he could be useful" questions about his game isn't worth that amount of money. That is why I keep on saying to getting rid of him now is our best and only option. That is what we seriously have to consider -- will Smart want his market value in free agency? Some team could offer him 20+ mil. Are we going to match that if we have a trio of Tatum-Jaylen-Beal (or some other 3rd star) who combined will be making 100+ mil?
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Post by FLCeltsFan on Jul 17, 2021 18:51:54 GMT -5
I think Brad should keep Smart. Red often said that you can never have enough instigators. For whatever else he does, Smart impacts winning. You need dogs on your team and Smart is one of the best. I'm hoping since Udoka is defensive minded, he will want Marcus on the team and that he will use him to the best advantage of the team.
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Post by jmost on Jul 17, 2021 21:44:47 GMT -5
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Post by jmost on Jul 17, 2021 22:25:49 GMT -5
The thing about Red's comment about instigators is that those guys were rarely if ever starters or even guys who got a lot of minutes. They weren't guys running the offense or taking a lot of shots. If Smart just played D, shot from the left corner, maybe threw some alley-oops, did a little posting up (in other words, things he does well) and did his instigator thing, he'd be a lot more valuable.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jul 18, 2021 0:07:10 GMT -5
The thing about Red's comment about instigators is that those guys were rarely if ever starters or even guys who got a lot of minutes. They weren't guys running the offense or taking a lot of shots. If Smart just played D, shot from the left corner, maybe threw some alley-oops, did a little posting up (in other words, things he does well) and did his instigator thing, he'd be a lot more valuable. Let's hope Udoka can get Smart to buy into this role. It'll be the best for this team cause realistically, Smart can really help us. His hustle ignites the team and the fans.
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Post by eja117 on Aug 1, 2021 15:36:57 GMT -5
My understanding of Smart is that basically he never accepted his role.
His role was to play tough defense, get some rebounds, pass the ball to Jaylen, and Jayson, and sometimes Kemba, and only shoot if he was wide wide wide open (possibly because they were triple teaming Tatum) and hit those shots at a rate just high enough to keep defenses honest, and every once in a million years he could drive if he had a mismatch, but even then should at least be looking for Jaylen or Tatum.
Instead he tried to force himself into the 4th (or 3rd) offensive option and tried to force the ball into the basket one time too many.
Then when things didn't go well he blamed the superstars for not having heart (he wasn't completely wrong) and tried to intimidate them into playing harder. But they basically didn't get intimidated because they're superstars in the modern (especially Tatum) let's-all-play-together mode of Lebron, Durant, D Wade, etc.
Smart was hoping for Giannis or KG. He got less talented Lebron.
And that's why Smart has to go. He's not really welcome here any more.
Perkins is smarter than Smart. Perkins would have played hard, done the dirty work, but he would have made things fun and would have accepted his role (pass to the superstars and make things easy for them).
Smart was supposed to be point guard Perkins. Instead he ended up being a 1%-as-talented-Pistons-Isiah Thomas-that-MJ-and-the-whole-rest-of-the-Dream-Team-hated-and-didn't-respect-but-at-least-Thomas-won-a-ring
It's time for Smart to go while he still has a good handful of dignity and respect
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Aug 1, 2021 18:21:54 GMT -5
That was a great post, E. Maybe your finest one to date.
Yup, I think Smart is on his way out.
From all indicators, Lonzo is the target. Whether we can get him is the question (Bulls seem to be our competitor for him).
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Post by jrmzt on Aug 2, 2021 0:18:38 GMT -5
100% agree DM, that was a great post by eja and I believe its totally on point!
I don't blame a guy for trying to be more than his ceiling. Thats admirable. But when your attitude and attempts to overreach your role & responsibilities leads to the team losing...then that has no place on this team. If everyone on the Bulls acted like they were Jordan, they would never have won a ring. Rodman was the perfect example of a guy who knew what he did well and gave it 120% instead of trying to half arse his role and demand more scoring opportunities.
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Post by eja117 on Aug 2, 2021 7:48:38 GMT -5
100% agree DM, that was a great post by eja and I believe its totally on point! I don't blame a guy for trying to be more than his ceiling. Thats admirable. But when your attitude and attempts to overreach your role & responsibilities leads to the team losing...then that has no place on this team. If everyone on the Bulls acted like they were Jordan, they would never have won a ring. Rodman was the perfect example of a guy who knew what he did well and gave it 120% instead of trying to half arse his role and demand more scoring opportunities. That's an excellent comparison. Smart had a chance to be combo guard Rodman, and he screwed it up.
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