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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jun 4, 2021 19:38:37 GMT -5
I love Smart, but I think he's a luxury this team can't afford right now. He's the guy that goes to a team that's one piece away from competing. Think Ron Artest on those 2009-2010 Lakers teams. But man if we trade him I'm gonna miss seeing that guy in a Celtics jersey. He's the kind of guy you pray to have as a teammate. Dude will run through a brick wall to win. Love him or hate him, Smart makes you think of bricks! I think I'd have a different opinion about Smart if he were used differently, as in sparingly. He's miscast as the guy who has the ball in his hands to run the offense. What about move him to PF to play defense and shoot corner 3s? He's the same height as PJ Tucker.
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Post by freshnthehouse on Jun 4, 2021 21:31:11 GMT -5
I think winning has so much to do with circumstance. Kevin Garnett had little playoff success before he got to Boston. He was also known as a guy that wilted in the 4th quarter. KG made bad Wolves teams into playoff teams. Ecen though they got knocked early, he lifted pretty far. Wall has not been that type of guy. True, but I'd say Wall did about all he could with those Wizards teams too. I don't think any of them were ever expected to make the finals or anything.
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Post by afceltic on Jun 5, 2021 3:55:48 GMT -5
With Lillard looking to get out of Portland, I would offer them whatever they want as long as I get to keep one of the J's and move on from there. It would be great if we could keep both, but that isn't reasonable. Unless they are dumb enough to take Kemba and Smart and get to keep both J's. A person can dream...right?
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jun 5, 2021 4:22:35 GMT -5
With Lillard looking to get out of Portland, I would offer them whatever they want as long as I get to keep one of the J's and move on from there. It would be great if we could keep both, but that isn't reasonable. Unless they are dumb enough to take Kemba and Smart and get to keep both J's. A person can dream...right? Dame is 30, and has lots of mileage on his legs -- do we want to take another chance on an aging star?
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Post by afceltic on Jun 5, 2021 4:33:00 GMT -5
With Lillard looking to get out of Portland, I would offer them whatever they want as long as I get to keep one of the J's and move on from there. It would be great if we could keep both, but that isn't reasonable. Unless they are dumb enough to take Kemba and Smart and get to keep both J's. A person can dream...right? Dame is 30, and has lots of mileage on his legs -- do we want to take another chance on an aging star? He doesn't have an injury history and may be the best PG in the league. If he comes here and gets hurt then we are truly cursed. He is more clutch than Curry is and plays better defense. He is a true leader that we need, not the fake wanna be that Smart is or the kid who thinks he is better than what he is in Tatum and doesn't know how to lead. It is the heart and locker room transplant that we need. CP3 was mentioned before, I would take Dame 20 times out of 10 over CP3.
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Post by jmost on Jun 5, 2021 8:43:28 GMT -5
I like Dame, but I look at how far he's gotten with CJ and it isn't inspiring. Would Dame and JT, or Dame and JB do any better? Dame makes huge money and it would take us out of any future free agent bidding.
Dame will make $18 million more than Brown next year. We'd almost HAVE to throw in Smart to make it work. Or Thompson and a host of younger players. Apparently Nurkic wants out too. Maybe a much bigger trade? Both franchises are stuck in the mud.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jun 6, 2021 22:30:49 GMT -5
I don't see how we are going to trade Kemba, guys. Makes way too much money and his knee is damaged. Unless we are takijg in a bad contract in return, which can't be a good idea.
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Post by afceltic on Jun 7, 2021 2:38:34 GMT -5
Or sweeten the deal if people in the league still value Smart, add him and picks, then get someone who will actually contribute and maybe some bench guys to make the salaries match. There are ways, they just have to get creative and that will be a early test for Brad the GM.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jun 7, 2021 2:47:41 GMT -5
Or sweeten the deal if people in the league still value Smart, add him and picks, then get someone who will actually contribute and maybe some bench guys to make the salaries match. There are ways, they just have to get creative and that will be a early test for Brad the GM. Smart by hinself might fetch us something decent. But pretty sure teams will stay clear of Kemba (smart teams anyway).
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Post by jmost on Jun 7, 2021 7:01:36 GMT -5
One thing to keep in mind is that Kemba's knee injury in the playoffs is not necessarily related to his prior surgeries. The former was a bone bruise. Best case scenario if we keep him is that he'd at least be available in every playoff game next year. Bone bruises are not some chronic thing. I'd still prefer we get out from under his contract however.
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Post by afceltic on Jun 7, 2021 7:45:09 GMT -5
Or sweeten the deal if people in the league still value Smart, add him and picks, then get someone who will actually contribute and maybe some bench guys to make the salaries match. There are ways, they just have to get creative and that will be a early test for Brad the GM. Smart by hinself might fetch us something decent. But pretty sure teams will stay clear of Kemba (smart teams anyway). Well if they are taking Smart, then they aren't very smart in the first place. That is why I added him into the deal, it would have to be a dumb team or a rebuilding team that is looking to flip him before his contract runs out.
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Post by jmost on Jun 7, 2021 7:53:05 GMT -5
What about Porzingis? It isn't working out in Dallas. Salaries are close and he has 3 years left. Mavs might be willing to deal.
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Post by afceltic on Jun 7, 2021 8:37:10 GMT -5
What about Porzingis? It isn't working out in Dallas. Salaries are close and he has 3 years left. Mavs might be willing to deal. His knees are shot and he seems to be playing worse than Kemba. He only played 43 games this year and shot below average three point percentage at 36%. But he did average 20 ppg 9 rebounds, and 2 assists per game. Which isn't bad, but he doesn't play enough, so it would be moving one short hurt guy for a taller hurt guy. Here is his stats: www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3102531/kristaps-porzingis
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Post by freshnthehouse on Jun 8, 2021 2:19:46 GMT -5
I don't think we have the firepower to get Dame, unless we're willing to move Jaylen, and I'm not sure a core Lillard, Tatum and Walker gets it done. But I can see the desire because dude is otherworldly good. I think we have a puncher's chance for Beal b/c he only has a year left on his deal, and he possibly actually wants to play here (connection w/ tatum). But even then, I can't imagine some team out there can't offer more than us.
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Post by jrmzt on Jun 8, 2021 4:39:21 GMT -5
What about Porzingis? It isn't working out in Dallas. Salaries are close and he has 3 years left. Mavs might be willing to deal. His knees are shot and he seems to be playing worse than Kemba. He only played 43 games this year and shot below average three point percentage at 36%. But he did average 20 ppg 9 rebounds, and 2 assists per game. Which isn't bad, but he doesn't play enough, so it would be moving one short hurt guy for a taller hurt guy. Here is his stats: www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3102531/kristaps-porzingisKP is one injury away from never playing again. Guys his height have far less durability than a shorter guy with some injuries. Kemba is likely to contribute much more than KP over the next 2 years.
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