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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jan 3, 2006 23:10:56 GMT -5
Let's see who can come up with the best trade proposal, and lets see if anyone can hit the bullseye with a trade Ainge might pull off.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2006 1:21:20 GMT -5
Celtics trade: Paul Pierce $14 mil Mark Blount $5.5 mil
for
Chicago trade:
Tim Thomas $14 mil Luol Deng $2.4 mil Ben Gordon $3.6 mil
Draft picks might be involved as well?
Why celtics do it?
They'll be able to add more young talent to their roster which adds needed depth at the SG and SF positions. While they're able to get a expiring contract at the same time. Yes, this would mean GG might be left out of the rotation unles Ricky Davis is traded away in another deal.
Lineup: C- Lafrentz PF- Jefferson SF- Deng SG- Davis PG-West 6th man Gordon
Why chicago would do this trade?
They'll finally have the superstar they're been searching for the past few years. And will be the main go-to guy on that roster. Plus, they get added depth to their center position which they seriously need to fill.
Lineup: C - Blount PF - Sweetney SF- Pierce SG- Hinrich PG- Duhon 6th Nocini/Chandler
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Post by BCHISTORIAN on Jan 4, 2006 2:07:02 GMT -5
replace gordon with hinrich and it would be excellent for both teams. with gordon it favors the bulls. a pick should definitely be added by chicago as well
pg - hinrich sg - davis sf - deng pf - jefferson c - perkins
i would live with that starting five a couple of years until gerald becomes dominant. the future rotation of
pg - hinrich, west sg - green, allen sf - deng, gomes pf - jefferson, somebody? c - perkins, splitter?
would be pretty freaking good
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Post by freshnthehouse on Jan 4, 2006 2:55:07 GMT -5
I'd like to get a pick out of CHI as well. Let them keep Gordon. THing thing scares me about trades involving Gordon or Deng is that we would then have to resign Allen, West, Al, and either Gordon or Deng in the same off-season.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jan 4, 2006 3:23:58 GMT -5
That's a pretty good trade, JHVOS. I am into that one.
I'm a fan of Luol Deng (despite RR continually telling me that Duke players are crap ;D). This kid is smart and has a lot of basketball skills. Because he doesn't have a lot of athleticism, he relies on cunning and smarts and he knows when to shoot the ball, and when to drive or dish. He's also got a pretty solid shooting stroke that's getting better and better (as evident by the toasting job he did on us).
Ben Gordon is an incredible scorer, and his shooting is lights out. One of the few playground style players who actually has a pure stroke. This kid is a scoring machine, and if we are going to lose Pierce, we have better be getting back good scorers in return.
The Bulls will have to include a first round pick in the trade in order to get Ainge to sign off on it. They have the Knick's first rounder, as well as their own. NY's pick might turn out to be the higher one in '07, so I'd ask for that one.
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Post by esco33 on Jan 4, 2006 16:34:19 GMT -5
I honestly do not like speculating and creating possible trades, but I think Ainge would like to move the following players in this order:
1. Mark Blount 2. Raef LaFrentz
(I think Blount will get moved sooner than Raef because his contract is better, and he is more of a center, even though he cannot rebound)
These players will possibly be moved along with the above mentioned players as a package:
1. Marcus Banks 2. Tony Allen
Marcus is behind Delonte on the depth chart. I think the team really wants to see Delonte as the future point guard of this team.
Tony Allen can be a very attractive player I believe to other clubs because of his toughness and athletic ability. Right now though because he has not played the whole year, his trade value is very low. Also, he may soon be a convicted criminal. I think that scares the Celtics also.
I do not want to speculate on specific players we would receive, but I can see Blount especially being packaged to one of the following teams:
Toronto Raptors - they are in desperate need for a center, and I think Blount would fit in well with Bosh and Villanueva, a little soft, but very athletic.
Seattle: This is the team that originally drafted him. Robert Swift is not ready yet. He could teach Swift how not to rebound.
Orlando: Blount is better than Cato. Blount and Howard combo might work well in Orlando, because Howard can actually rebound. Blount would just be called upon to hit jumpers and get garbage points.
Probably in the trade we would clear up the roster and receive expiring contracts/old vets in the deal.
Addition by subtraction idea basically.
That is all that I have. Maybe later I can comment on a few players from these teams that we would possibly receive in any deal.
-esco
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jan 4, 2006 22:15:43 GMT -5
Yeah, I can see him going to the places you mentioned, Esco. I believe that he was possibly going to Orlando when he was a free agent last summer--maybe they'd want him now. They already have Tony Battie, another lightweight Center, but Blount has shown more offensive abilities.
But there's no one I'd want from their team, aside from Dwight Howard.
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Post by Roadrunner on Jan 4, 2006 23:53:02 GMT -5
Thanks Derren. Let's just say his older brother was one of the most hyped up players, less college performing players for UCONN in history.
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Post by eja117 on Jan 6, 2006 11:02:24 GMT -5
Where do you guys find out salaries of players? ESPN?
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Post by BCHISTORIAN on Jan 6, 2006 15:31:44 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2006 16:28:26 GMT -5
replace gordon with hinrich and it would be excellent for both teams. with gordon it favors the bulls. a pick should definitely be added by chicago as well pg - hinrich sg - davis sf - deng pf - jefferson c - perkins i would live with that starting five a couple of years until gerald becomes dominant. the future rotation of pg - hinrich, west sg - green, allen sf - deng, gomes pf - jefferson, somebody? c - perkins, splitter? would be pretty freaking good Hinrich works for me even if the difference between getting a pick or not.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2006 16:48:20 GMT -5
"Also, Mike Rice said Theo Ratliff's name has been mentioned in all kinds of trade ideas, and one in particular had him going to Boston." Oregonian
Raef or Blount + fill ins for Theo?
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jan 6, 2006 16:50:47 GMT -5
I partly agree with Doc, and I partly agree with Ainge. Doc likes this team and doesn't want to make changes, while Ainge always wants to make changes and he feels there may be things wrong with this current group of players.
Offensively, we are doing very well. We have crept up a few slots on the team scoring average over the past 8 games (averaging about 109 ppg), and we trail only the Spurs for the league's best team FG%. Pierce is an offensive powerhouse and Ricky has found his stroke again and is a fantastic second option. The rest of the team is coming along well, as Delonte and Blount have been consistent contributors.
But despite all this, we are 5 games under .500. We are still one of the worst defensive teams, we allow too many turnovers, and we rank 3rd to last in rebounding (28th in the league).
Doc likes this team and thinks we aren't too far off from making major strides. But I think its time to make some changes to help us defensively. Mark Blount has been 100% better offensively than I ever gave him credit for. I must admit that I have been impressed with his post scoring, often coming up with points when we need it (though we hardly go to him in crunch time). But for a 7 footer who gets nearly 30 minutes a game to only be able to grab 4.3 rebounds a game and block only 1 shot a game is totally a bummer. Ricky Davis averages more rebounds than he does, and Delonte is right on his tail!!! We are in desperate need of a defensive presence, and Blount only shows that he can give us points.
Other changes must be made. I like Scala and I think he can still be a steady contributor, but he's already worn out his welcome in Boston and he's not getting playing time. He'll probably be a throw in, in a trade.
I also think Justin Reed and Marcus Banks may be in line to be traded. They are 2 of our better defensive players, and that's really what we need. But Reed just isn't going to get the time to develop once Tony comes back, and Ryan Gomes, who doesn't get any playing time, actually has more talent than he does, so he's just going to be wasting away on the bench.
Marcus has had games where he provided offensive sparks and defensive pressure, but he just doesn't get it as a PG. Orien shows so much more court vision, passing ability, and the aptitude for running a team. And that's what we need from the PG spot. We have a lot of offensive players already, and Orien does a good job defensively as well. We aren't going to waste our time developing 3 PG's, especially when Delonte is getting nearly 30 minutes of playing time already. Orien is cheaper and is a better PG prospect than Banks, so this makes Marcus expendable (and Banks' trading value is higher).
We aren't going to get much for Blount, Reed, and Marcus. But what this might do is give the other players more playing time on the court to develop their games. Perkins and Jefferson can take up whatever minutes is left behind once Blount leaves, and Orien can get all the backup minutes that used to belong to Banks.
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Post by The Eye of the Q is upon you! on Jan 6, 2006 19:15:21 GMT -5
Mark Blount and Marcus Banks to Phoenix
for
Howard Eisley and Brian Grant
Basically, a salary dump for us while Phx gets a scoring center who frankly would do a lot better in a run and gun system and needs to get out of Boston. They also get Banks who can back up Nash and Barbosa.
We get two veteran hands to provide us invaluable leadership and toughness. Both will help the Celtics make it back to the playoffs. I would consider a trade of 1st rounders if Phoenix insists.
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Post by freshnthehouse on Jan 6, 2006 19:58:27 GMT -5
Wasnt Howard Eisley just cut? I think he is available as a FA.
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