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Post by DERRENMATTS on Dec 31, 2005 21:42:17 GMT -5
Last time Ainge blew up this team and traded away most of the veterans (Walker, E-Will, Battie), it left us pretty weak, disorganized, and scratching our heads, wondering about the future of this franchise.
But this time, things are different. We have a group of talented youngsters this time to build our future around. This time, we have 2 youngsters who have star potential (Jefferson and Green). This time, we have young PG's who can develop into steady players (Delonte, Banks, Orien), we have young wing players who can develop into solid role players (Tony Allen, Ryan Gomes Justin Reed), and we have a young big man who can develop into a defensive presence and rebounder (Big Perk).
Each one of them have the potential to be better than the players we lost the last time Ainge blew up the team (Green, Allen, and Gomes have greater potential than Kedrick Brown and E-Will --- Delonte, Banks and Orien have greater potential than Jr Bremer---Perkins has greater potential than Tony Battie---Al Jefferson has just as much potential as Antoine Walker at the same age).
Getting rid of Blount, Raef, Ricky, and even Pierce will be a massive blow, but this time around, we have young players already in place to build our future around. And the direction (or vision) is clearer this time around. We can be a better defensive unit and a team that plays offense the right way. Plus, the pieces we'll get in return for the veterans will help in ushering a new era of Celtics basketball. Hopefully, trading away the veterans (most likely in separate deals) will net us high draft picks that will give us the opportunity to draft a guy like Greg Oden, or give us specific needs like better defensive players (Ron Artest), smarter basketball players, or an impact PG (like Baron Davis, Kirk Hinrich, Chris Paul, TJ Ford, etc).
This time, if Ainge blows the team up, we won't have a sense of confusion as we did the first time he blew the team up.
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Post by freshnthehouse on Jan 1, 2006 4:07:17 GMT -5
I'm not a big draft guy, but i know peeps that are, and they say the 07 draft is gonna be jam packed with goodness. So it seems to me, if we are gonna rebuild, we gotta do it eith this midseason or off-season. Do any of you draft guys agree/disagree with this?
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jan 1, 2006 6:44:40 GMT -5
Its hard to say right now who's going to come out in the '07 draft. It seems that almost every year, experts say that this draft is the weakest in recent memory, and the draft turns out to be pretty good.
But if we are rebuilding, getting a big time defensive player and a top notch PG are what we should be driving at. Oden has the making to be a big defensive presence (he's got the height, length, and timing in place--all he needs now is some bulk, some toughness, and better techniques). Getting him would be an enormous boost towards building a championship team.
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Post by scooterr68y on Jan 1, 2006 8:31:22 GMT -5
Now I will first start off with this fact...I am a huge PP fan and want him to retire a celtic...but if it clears some space and gets us in a better position for the future I would trade pp only with Raef.. so here goes pp and Raef to memphis for hakim warrick, eddie jones, and lorenzen wright Wrigt is a free agent and eddie Jones has only 1 year remaining Again I want pp to retire as a celtic but I dont think we can get #17 with Raef's huge contract..you have to give to get... Alot of people including me(see any of my previous post) talk abount blount(stone hands) but his salary is not that bad (trade him later ) www.hoopshype.com/salaries/boston.htm and factor in we would be in at 43 million next year and like 33 the next... I guess my point is in a perfect world we could trade raef and blount together for cap space and free time for Perk and Jefferson but I just think it will take something sweeter to do the deal..I hope Ainge can pull it off without PP, that is why he is a GM and I am writng on these baords..anyway happy new year
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Post by eja117 on Jan 1, 2006 11:49:22 GMT -5
Looking at this schedule I want us to wait out contracts if we can't trade guys for draft picks or good, young, cheap players. For example, next year we are scheduled to have almost $6mill come of the books (Borchardt, Banks, Dickau) the year after that we are to have $5.3 to come off (V Banker) the year after that we are to have $24 come off (R Davis, PP) the year after that $12.7 comes off (Raef). The year after that $11 comes off (Scala and Blount). I say wait while we rebuild. By that time Gerald can replace PP plus we got our draft picks till then. We can decline some options in the next couple years if we need to. I just wouldn't trade for a player unless their contract was way smaller or shorter. All the money coming off the books can be given to young players who prove themselves, here or elsewhere.
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Post by Ossric on Jan 1, 2006 11:50:44 GMT -5
dickau is sign for 3 years...
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jan 1, 2006 17:36:12 GMT -5
Raef is going to be trickier to trade than Pierce, not only because his contract is longer, but because he's not nearly as talented as Pierce and his value is significantly lower (and its not like he's playing great this year). I have no idea who'd want to take on Raef's contract.
Which makes moving Pierce seem like the only choice if Ainge wants to reduce the team salary. Well, Paul and Blount.
Ricky is a much cheaper alternative, and because he plays in an uptempo style, he may be more attractive to hold on to.
Pierce has been putting up the best statistics he has ever had this year, and he should be rewarded for this. But unfortunately, because we aren't playing well and it doesn't appear that we are going to win a title with this group of players, Ainge may make changes (see Vescey's comments and Shira Springer's new article in today's Globe), which may include Pierce.
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Post by Roadrunner on Jan 1, 2006 22:54:00 GMT -5
Raef will be harder to move because: no other owner other than Cuban would give this guy a max contract; his work ethics is average, not above averaged; he is content w/ the status of the team (just like Kansas failing as well).
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Post by The Eye of the Q is upon you! on Jan 2, 2006 12:27:05 GMT -5
OK see my other post about the radical idea not to make trades just to lower our future liability. Does Ainge see any exciting new talent coming into this league? ??
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Post by eja117 on Jan 16, 2006 18:47:28 GMT -5
The Celts won't compete till they start managing the cap and stop overpaying for crappy players.
They need to start following some very simple rules like for one, no 6 or 7 year contracts to guys who aren't all stars, unless it is a contract that is way under market value. Like 3 mill per year to a guy like Blount for 7 years wouldn't have killed me.
No max contracts to guys who aren't like a 2 time all star.
No big contracts to guys that have been hurt for a long time, unless they have been healthy for years, so like no big contracts to guys like Grant Hill, Boozer, or Camby
Hire coaches that have been deep into the NBA playoffs at least twice.
Get to a point where you always draft Euros in the 2nd round like San Antonio
No head cases like Artest
Interchangable parts like the Patriots and the way the Celts were supposed to be and used to be
High basketball IQ guys like Delonte
Hard workers like Perk
As soon as Darko becomes a free agent offer him a 2 year $4 million contract with a team option for a 3rd year. You heard me. Chump change I say. He might actually do something on a team like ours. I'd consider playing him ahead of Blount and Raef. He might be worth $4 million in motivation money right there.
Always include behavor clauses
Get guys that play at least some defense
If they follow these simple rules in 5-8 years they may get to a point where they are consistently competitive. They just have to figure out the rules like the Pats and Pistons. The whole league doesn't do this. It is an overpaying star oriented league. Since the only way to get a star is to get lucky as hell in the draft (and I'm not talking about a grows on trees shooting guard star like PP, I'm talking about a real one like Duncan) we have to go the well managed route. Unfortunately I don't see that happening any time soon, which means we are kinda praying through his drafting (mixed record) and trading (mixed record) and free agency (mostly bad record) DA can right the ship.
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Post by Roadrunner on Jan 16, 2006 23:48:40 GMT -5
Raef has to have one of the worst contracts in NBA history. The Celtics should have dumped his contract in the 1-time free-be.
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Post by freshnthehouse on Jan 17, 2006 2:21:16 GMT -5
Raef has to have one of the worst contracts in NBA history. The Celtics should have dumped his contract in the 1-time free-be. Those contracts still count against the cap, and they still have to be paid. All it accomplishes is keeping teams out of the luxery tax, something we dont have to worry about right now.
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