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Post by DERRENMATTS on Dec 28, 2005 1:23:00 GMT -5
Ok, I think I may have finally unlocked the answer to Doc's often frustrating player rotation, in which he regularly omits playing Perkins, and continually avoids giving Jefferson and feeds in the post.
Money.
Yep, its money. Simple, right?!!
The less Perkins plays this year, the more leverage Ainge has in determining Perk's new contract. If Perkins is outplaying Blount, who makes 6 - 7 million per year, Perkins should get at least 8 million or more. It only makes sense--you pay for a better service.
Jefferson is already deserving more playing time and a bigger role in the offense. But if Doc did the right thing and played Jefferson a lot and gave him the ball a lot, Big Al could possibly be a 15 ppg scorer in just his second year in the league, and in his 3rd year, be an 18 ppg guy on the verge of busting out when his rookie contract expires. If that happens, Ainge is going to have to shell out a near max level contract to keep him in Boston. But if they limit his production this year (his 2nd year) and let him progress more next year (in his final year of his rookie contract), Jefferson won't have the leverage to ask for the max contract.
And then there's Gerald Green.
Is this the right move? Absolutely not. By doing this, we run the risk of our two young bulls becoming frustrated and may want to go elsewhere to get more meaningful playing time and a bigger role. And if Doc tells the the truth about why they didn't receive their merited playing time (so we could save money), it'll be like slapping their faces--and who in the world is willing to slap Big Perk in the face?
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Post by BCHISTORIAN on Dec 28, 2005 1:33:34 GMT -5
you know, i've had the same concpracy feeling for some time. i also think the other reason doc plays blonut so much is because he has to showcase him for a trade
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Post by greenblood on Dec 28, 2005 9:19:29 GMT -5
Derren, I have to say that this conspiracy theory is not very characteristic of your usual logical opinions. The reason that Blount is playing more is because he is playing better. I know that Blount doesn't rebound, but Perk was also getting pushed around up in Seattle. Perk did come back in in the 4th quarter for a bit, but when Doc went small, it made no sense to have Perk on the floor. His center of choice for that line-up was Raef. I am assuming this was because Raef has the ability to stretch defenses which enables the small guys to penetrate. Perk was also in foul trouble early. The reason Big Al isn't playing as much is because he has been very inconsistent, which is normal for young players. The "play the kids" philosophy hasn't gone into full effect yet because the Celtics still have a fighting shot at the playoffs.
The whole contractual issues aren't super accurate either. Perk is locked up for 2 more years, so even if he doesn't play 40 minutes a game now, he still has time to earn that big pay raise. Remember it only took Blount half a season to get his contract. I know we all want to see Jefferson put up big numbers, but I believe that the expectations were too high for him this season. He still plays very soft, and he hasn't figured out how to beat double teams yet. I do believe he will figure it out in time, but I would like to continue watching the Celts play in April, even if it is for a short time. I don't believe playing the young guys, winning 35 games, and grabbing the 14th pick in the draft is worth alienating Pierce, Davis, and the fans.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Dec 28, 2005 10:47:03 GMT -5
I'm just trying to make sense of it all.
Doc calls for more defense and for more rebounds and toughness, but hasn't given Perk more than 20 minutes on the court in a long time. Blount does not give us toughness, rebounds, or a lot of defense, but yet he continually gets way more playing time than Perk. This is fishy and though Doc tried explaining his reasoning for going with Blount more in the SEA game, in general, he's been sitting Perk a lot and I don't buy his explanation.
As for Jefferson, he's being used the wrong way. He's a star offensive player in the making, but yet when he's on the floor, Doc uses him to set screens.
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Post by VI_CelticsFan on Dec 28, 2005 11:46:45 GMT -5
I'm starting to think that Doc is not the best fit to be our coach right now. We need a coach who will play the kids, and use them the right way. I believe that in order for these young players to get better, they need to play. How does Doc expect GG to get better if he doesn't allow him to even suit up for games? How does Doc expect BigAl to turn into an offensive star if all he uses him for is to set screens? How does Doc expect Greene to turn into a good playmaking point guard if he only lets him play for 5-10 minutes per game? Young players get better by experience, and Doc needs to understand that.
I actually think that Danny would be a great fit as our head coach, but I doubt he would want to move from GM to head coach.
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Post by eja117 on Dec 28, 2005 12:52:20 GMT -5
Your whole money thing is genious and makes a lot of sense Derren. Exhalt
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Post by FLCeltsFan on Dec 28, 2005 13:33:07 GMT -5
The money thing does make sense. I have held out hope that maybe Raef and Blount are playing more because they are being showcased for a trade. I can only hope, I guess.
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Post by esco33 on Dec 28, 2005 15:02:21 GMT -5
Derren. Your idea sounds crazy but it just may have some merit. I had heard this theory before from someone and I thought they were nuts, but come to think of it Danny may just be cunning enough to be doing this.
Ainge in my opinion is one of the most cunning GM's in that he would be one person that would be able to pull something like this off.
How come Banks was out for that long, when we hadn't even heard of the injury? Same with Allen. all of a sudden he needs surgery and he is out for 3 months, and he is still out. Remember the Walker trade last year? No comments from no one except media saying Payton would re-sign. What happens? Payton resigns with us for the rest of the year.
Also with the draft, he always has a way of getting the guys that he wants. (Banks and Perkins, Delonte, Allen, Gomes)
One problem that I have with this theory if it is true, although it would be extremely ingenious on the part of Ainge, is that it is unfair to the players. It keeps them shackled, and held back, therefore forfeiting their chances of a nice payday when their contract expires.
I do not think Ainge is actually doing this pursay but something like this would not surprise me at all coming from Danny.
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Post by The Eye of the Q is upon you! on Dec 28, 2005 15:21:33 GMT -5
On the contrary, will Perkins, Jefferson, Banks, TA, West, Green, Gomes, Greene, and Reed re-up when it comes time or tell Danny Ainge to take a hike and move on. Clearing LaFrentz and Blonuts salaries will be difficult without offering some young talent from the first paragraph. And then the Celtics would really be screwed. Judging by the hoopshype spreadsheet, we have Pierce coming off the books in '07 ('08 if he excercises his option, which he will most likely not), Reaf can come off in '07 but more likely '09, Blonut is signed through '10 , RD is '08.
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Post by esco33 on Dec 28, 2005 17:08:48 GMT -5
On the contrary, will Perkins, Jefferson, Banks, TA, West, Green, Gomes, Greene, and Reed re-up when it comes time or tell Danny Ainge to take a hike and move on. I say Perk, Big Al, West, Green, Gomes, Greene have the best chances of re-upping (maybe not all of them) and that Banks, TA, Reed will not be in our long term plans. Maybe they will be included in some type of package with Blunt and Raef. Doc and Danny really need to decide which of the players on our roster are in our long term plans. For monetary reasons it can't be all of them obviously. Out of the players you mentioned, I would say for sure... Perk, Big Al, Green. I think they would like to also hold onto West and Gomes as well. Allen is on the border right now. That Chicago incident has really seemed to tarnish his image, in the Celts eyes anyway I believe. We will have to see how much of an impact he can provide when he comes back 100%. Then we can see from there. Banks I like, but he always seems to be in Rivers' doghouse. I think he eventually dons another uniform.
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Post by eja117 on Dec 28, 2005 17:16:32 GMT -5
In terms of clearing salary I think it might just make sense to wait out the contracts. I think Raef and PP is another 3 years and I think Blount is 4 years. I figure RD must be around that too, and that is almost exactly how long we figure it will take these young guys to develop. We'll be drafting along the way and after 4 years Scala's contract will only have a year to go and since it takes 5 years for high school guys to develop instead of picking up someone's bad contract or a bad player I'd rather just wait. That's why I didn't like letting go of Antoine W for Raef while I liked it when they picked him back up. His contract was ending soon.
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Post by Roadrunner on Dec 28, 2005 18:19:32 GMT -5
I think Allen is being held out, because they know he is guilty, and are waiting till the verdict to release/trade him.
As for the pups, Doc has not rhyme or reason for his substitutions. I am not even sure he can explain them himself.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Dec 28, 2005 22:46:48 GMT -5
Just seems strange, doesn't it. I mean, the team looks better when Perkins is playing and when given the opportunity, Jefferson can put up some points. But yet, neither of these 2 guys are used properly, and instead, Blount and Raef are overused.
Not only might Ainge be trying to secure leverage in future contract negotiations, but another cause and effect situation Ainge may be trying to angle at is getting a higher draft pick. Would 2 mid 1st round picks and Ricky Davis be enough to get into the top 3?
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Post by esco33 on Dec 29, 2005 19:30:33 GMT -5
I think more so Doc and Ainge are showcasing these guys for a trade (Blunt and Raef) I do not know what for. Everyone knows Raef's game, and how Blunt can't rebound.
As far as this draft, there is absolutely nobody. I wouldn't waste picks or trade Ricky, maybe for this Oden kid in 07 I would take a risk, but not for anybody in the 06 draft.
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Post by BCHISTORIAN on Dec 30, 2005 1:11:05 GMT -5
as far as trades go then everybody is waiting for the artest situation to clear out. that should trigger the dominoes to fall
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