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Post by DERRENMATTS on Mar 26, 2019 20:10:52 GMT -5
We’ve heard the stats of how much better Rozier is when he starts and gets lots of minutes, versus what he produces coming off the bench. But with Kyrie here, Rozier will not get the role or the minutes he desires.
As a pending free agent this summer, it seems to be a foregone conclusion that Terry will go to a team who will offer him a starting roll. But is it imminent that this will happen? Is he set to leave us, knowing he can find greater individual success elsewhere?
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Post by jmost on Mar 26, 2019 21:09:07 GMT -5
TR is restricted, right? So we can match any offer if we want to. I think it comes down to this: if Kyrie opts out and leaves, TR stays. If Kyrie stays, TR is gone one way or the other. Either we let him walk for nothing, which I think is unlikely, or we sign him to trade him. TR wants to start and don't think he'd be happy playing bench minutes for another 4 years. I think Danny would trade him if the Celtics can't offer him a more prominent role.
IMO there is no villain here. Players want to play and I can respect that.
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Post by FLCeltsFan on Mar 26, 2019 21:14:03 GMT -5
I think it all depends on whether Kyrie stays or goes. If he stays, I think Rozier is going to look elsewhere for a team where he can start. If Kyrie goes, He may stick around ad he would then become the starting PG. (Unless the Celtics sign a different star PG)
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Mar 27, 2019 1:14:54 GMT -5
We know thar Ainge loves the guy. Heard that a team offered a conditional first round pick for Terry, but
Danny would only do it if the pick was unprotected. That tells me Danny sees fairly good value in Rozier. He won’t let Terry go for nothing — most likely a sign and trade if Rozier wants to go elsewhere.
But like you both, I don’t see Terry having interest in remaining here if Kyrie is a fixture.
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Post by Roadrunner on Mar 27, 2019 17:55:46 GMT -5
Excluding Kyrie's decision, I think Danny matches an a reasonable offer (say similar to Smart's deal), however would punt an unreasonable offer (say anything above).
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Mar 28, 2019 14:15:54 GMT -5
Hard to imagine giving Rozier and Smart 11 mil each, especially if Rozier is a non-starter.
I think I'm ready to move on from Rozier. Not consistent enough for what I think Brad needs.
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Post by jmost on Mar 28, 2019 14:27:53 GMT -5
We need someone who can get other guys good shots and doesn't feel like he needs to score himself.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Mar 28, 2019 16:34:37 GMT -5
We need someone who can get other guys good shots and doesn't feel like he needs to score himself. That's my complaint with Rozier (in addition to not being consistent enough). His feel for passing is average at best, but most times sub par. |
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Post by runrondo on Mar 29, 2019 14:19:28 GMT -5
I don't really think Rozier is that good of a player that it makes any sense to struggle to keep him regardless of what Kyrie does. Smart at least is a little special in that he seems to provides toughness and defense which are things not every player can do. Hell, Smart seems to defy his terrible shot selection and shooting and still have noticeable impact on games. Rozier provides something a lot of players can do - get hot and score a lot some games. I'm sure if he gets a bigger role his stats will look nice, but I don't think he's a piece you need to keep.
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Post by Roadrunner on Mar 29, 2019 17:46:26 GMT -5
Hard to imagine giving Rozier and Smart 11 mil each, especially if Rozier is a non-starter. I think I'm ready to move on from Rozier. Not consistent enough for what I think Brad needs. Do you think Danny, and Smart had a handshake agreement before free agency? No one bid for Smart, then Danny offered 4-years, $13m/year which was the same or more than he offered before last season? |
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Mar 29, 2019 18:27:16 GMT -5
Hard to imagine giving Rozier and Smart 11 mil each, especially if Rozier is a non-starter. I think I'm ready to move on from Rozier. Not consistent enough for what I think Brad needs. Do you think Danny, and Smart had a handshake agreement before free agency? No one bid for Smart, then Danny offered 4-years, $13m/year which was the same or more than he offered before last season? I hadn't heard anything about a deal already in place with Smart at the start of free agency last year. I think teams were hesitant to offer starter money to a guy like Smart (whose value is mostly tied to his defense, cause he's not much of a scorer, and his 3pt shooting is suspect). Reason why I think Danny gave him 11 mil per is because he can use Smart's contract to help even out the salary exchange for a star player (like Anthony Davis). Back to Rozier, he may leave this summer, and we might be losing him for nothing. I can't imagine Ainge doing that, so there might be some sort of sign-and-trade deal. |
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Post by afceltic on Mar 29, 2019 21:05:48 GMT -5
I can see him as a sign and trade as a part of an AD trade which may allow us to keep Brown or Tatum...more likely Brown who would then be a starter then next to Kyrie/Gordon/Al/AD.
I would be ok with a Tatum/Smart/ Rozier with two first round picks for AD. Add more picks if needed.
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Post by jmost on Mar 30, 2019 20:30:14 GMT -5
Rozier has made zero progress as a player this year, which is too bad because he looked like he was breaking out last Spring after Irving was hurt. I think it would be a major mistake to give him a big contract unless it's to trade him. NBA champions are built around stars and low-paid role players. Smart GMs do not overpay for mediocre players. Rozier is a mediocre player. That's how you kill yourself with respect to cap space. Danny is a smart GM. If he can't do a sign and trade he'll say goodbye to him as he did with Evan Turner.
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