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Post by esco33 on Dec 17, 2005 11:22:58 GMT -5
How did Marcus look last night? I missed the game, and got home and saw he had 12 points on 5-8 shooting, with 4 assists and 2 steals.
I saw a few highlights of some of his athletic layups, and saw on some other boards that said he ran the point and offense better than anyone has this season. I don't know how true that is.
If anyone saw the game I would like to see your comments on this. After the game, Donnie Marshall said that, he knew it was only one game, but that he should be the starting point guard soon.
I know Banks is not a Doc Rivers guy, but I would hope that he would give him a fair shot. We all know that this is Banks last year to prove himself. I just do not want to see another Billups fiasco, because I can definitely see Banks in an opposing uniform lighting our point guards up for 25 points when he is playing 35 minutes a game.
None of our other point guards are great defenders, and none have more athletic ability than Marcus. No other point on our team can get to the rack like Marcus can, and he definitely is the quickest on the break end-to-end. We all know his decison making needs work, but I would like to hear from the people who saw the game, and get their thoughts.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Dec 17, 2005 15:11:14 GMT -5
Banks came in as a 3rd PG (Orien was the first sub for Delonte). The game was rather slow paced and when Banks came in, his speed took over. I think it was a combination of 2 months worth of pent up energy just sitting on the bench and wanting to prove his game. He was attacking the basket and made things happen that way. He basically looked like the same Marcus Banks as last year, during the times when he was playing real good.
Donnie Marshall, as well as many other fans, should not go overboard with his performance though. His scoring and energy were terrific, but he wasn't able to set up players that well. He's a good fit as a bench scorer and not as a starting PG who sets up our players.
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Post by eja117 on Dec 17, 2005 15:19:08 GMT -5
S basically he will be platooning with Orien depending on what the team needs. So there is pretty much no need for Dickau other than 3 point shooting, which Banks and Delonte can both do if not as well
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Dec 17, 2005 15:44:22 GMT -5
Yeah, it'll be a platoon job, I suppose. Orien shows better ability to set up players while Banks can push the tempo better.
Dickau hasn't been able to solidify his niche (or find one, for that matter) so this might be the time to trade him.
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Post by esco33 on Dec 17, 2005 16:54:48 GMT -5
I still believe Banks has a shot of being starting point guard for this team, even though he has been basically written off by everyone. Delonte has shown flashes, but not one of the point guards has really impressed me. Greene looks like a nice prospect, but he won't be really ready for a couple years. Banks has the experience, athletic ability, energy, talent, and defensive tenacity to be able to step up. So far no one has really done much of anything . I still think we are in the market for a marquee point guard.
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Post by Ossric on Dec 17, 2005 17:00:48 GMT -5
I'm even willing to say that Banks is better than West. Why? Because he's the better defender, he scores more easily, he can change the pace of the game unlike West.
Please don't tell me that West is a better distributor of the ball. The only thing that West is better at is rebounding.
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Post by eja117 on Dec 17, 2005 17:25:42 GMT -5
How can you say that West isn't a better distributor of the ball? I'd say he is for one simple reason. He actually distributes the ball from time to time.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Dec 17, 2005 21:11:07 GMT -5
Oss, West is the better PG. If you take into account all the factors that go into running a team, Delonte is the better overall choice.
Banks is the better pressure defender, but you can't argue Delonte's ability to block shots.
Delonte is a better rebounder.
Delonte has a better feel for the flow of the game.
Banks makes a better sparkplug player.
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Post by BCHISTORIAN on Dec 18, 2005 4:46:50 GMT -5
does anyone remember the first game against indiana in last years playoffs. banks is flawed but still better than delonte. the reason i say that is because banks is excellent at something while delonte is average at everything
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Post by Ossric on Dec 18, 2005 6:12:31 GMT -5
Delonte is the better shotblocker, but remember the short stint in which Payton was not on our team last year. Delonte played very well, but Banks didn't do so bad either with extended minutes.
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Post by eja117 on Dec 18, 2005 10:38:11 GMT -5
Saying Banks is better than Delonte because Banks is great at something but Delonte is average is like saying that a quarterback who can do everything really well, except he can't throw, is better than an average quarterback. Delonte does the one thing that makes a point guard a point guard, better. Penetrate and distribute the ball. And he's not a horrid defender. Why are steals better than blocks and rebounds?
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Post by sprash98 on Dec 18, 2005 10:44:31 GMT -5
Saying Banks is better than Delonte because Banks is great at something but Delonte is average is like saying that a quarterback who can do everything really well, except he can't throw, is better than an average quarterback. Delonte does the one thing that makes a point guard a point guard, better. Penetrate and distribute the ball. And he's not a horrid defender. Why are steals better than blocks and rebounds? Lol! Delonte penetrates? Are you even watching the games? Delonte is a good shooter and thats where it ends. His man-on-man defense is horrible but he makes up for it with his team defense. He does not penetrate, are you kidding me? If that were the case, hwe would be shooting a lot of FTs and getting a lot of assists. West IS NOT a PG. The experiment of converting him into one is a miserable failure.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Dec 18, 2005 12:28:10 GMT -5
Banks is not a good PG, guys. If you watch, all he does is excite fans because he scores. When was the last time anyone ever said, "wow, that was a smart decision by Banks"? Nowadays, everyone is into scoring. A player scores 30 pts and everyone goes wild. That's why there will continue to be Mark Blount supporters in Celtic Nation, despite him being a horrible rebounder and a weak defensive presence.
Marcus Banks does not run a team well. He has no idea what to do. This is not to say that Delonte does, but he has a better idea.
And here's another thing--Delonte has finished more plays off of penetrations than Marcus Banks. This year alone, Delonte has impressed me with his ability to look like a mini Manu Ginobli with his sweet left handed kiss off the backboard after getting to the front of the rim. Even though Marcus is tons quicker and more athletic, he's had trouble finishing layups in traffic.
But here's the thing--Marcus Banks makes a better sparkplug scoring option off the bench than Delonte being a starting PG. In other words, Banks makes more of an impact off the bench than the impact Delonte makes as a starting PG.
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Post by Ossric on Dec 18, 2005 12:31:24 GMT -5
sorry to have brought up the discussion. We shouldn't even be discussing this, there's plenty of minutes to share between the both of them. They have no competition at the PG position.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Dec 18, 2005 12:40:51 GMT -5
No worries, Oss. Its a healthy discussion.
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