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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jun 7, 2018 16:29:48 GMT -5
Very appreciative of what Rozier did in Kyrie's place. Took the opportunity and ran with it, earning himself a future big pay raise (and maybe a starting role on a different team).
As long as Kyrie is here, Rozier will not start at the Point. And as long as Hayward, Tatum and Jaylen are rotating at the wings, Rozier will not get the amount of playing time he wants.
Along with that, Rozier will be up for a new contract after next year, and it'll be a significant jump in pay. Will there be cap space to offer him that'll keep him here?
In addition to these questions, looking at our roster, we have enough star power at the Point and Wings -- but we're thin at the Swing and Big. How do we address this when we're pretty tight in cap space?
Rozier's value might be at its peak right now. Is it the right time to trade him?
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Post by Roadrunner on Jun 7, 2018 23:04:25 GMT -5
I will bring up a past Danny Ainge quote that players loved playing in BOS when happy with their roles. Will Rozier be happy playing back-up PG?
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jun 7, 2018 23:24:03 GMT -5
Maybe for a little while. After he was instrumental in what this team accomplished in the playoffs, to now ask him to cut his minutes to 20 a game, and to cut his shot attempts in half, and play a reduced role altogether, that’s tough for any competitor.
It’ll get even rougher if Smart gets a new deal. That might be the writing on the wall right there if it happens.
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Post by runrondo on Jun 8, 2018 5:57:46 GMT -5
He definitely doesn't have the ability to make you want to keep him at all costs. If his value is high I'd try something now.
Even if Kyrie was guaranteed to leave and Rozier wanted starter money I'm not sure why we'd ever do that. At least to me, Rozier's ceiling seems to be the spark plug off the bench (6th man) even though everyone got excited with his production. I think there's lots of guards that can replace what Rozier does. There's not a lot that can replace what Kryie does - that's the difference.
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Post by jmost on Jun 8, 2018 7:42:41 GMT -5
For me nothing happens until Smart's situation is resolved. If Smart goes, there should be enough minutes for TR if Brad is willing to put him on the court at the same time as Kyrie part of the time - especially if we limit Kyrie's minutes to around 30 per game during the regular season.
I think TR is good enough to start somewhere in the NBA. He has plenty of talent but definitely needs to keep improving his ability to penetrate and to shoot consistently. I'd like to keep him because he has talent and the drive to work hard to get better. He may never be Kyrie, but I think he's not a bad insurance policy. And from what he's said, he's not antsy to take the starter's job from Kyrie, so I don't think he's going to be unhappy to go back to the bench. Now, if he ever thought he was BETTER than Kyrie and still was on the bench - which by the way would be a great problem for the Celtics - that would be a different story.
Of course all bets are off if someone makes Danny an insane offer for TR.
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Post by runrondo on Jun 8, 2018 11:06:05 GMT -5
I probably should clarify - I mean 6th man on our team would be perfect for him in terms of ceiling. He could definitely start elsewhere which is what this all comes down to - does he like us and the team and what we're building enough to potentially play off the bench longer than he'd have to anywhere else? You're both right that Smart's situation will affect this. I don't see us signing Smart, but if we do I don't know if we can expect Rozier to want to stay when the time comes. And Rozier is not that type of talent or player where you'd move others to keep him so I assume he won't be around long-term.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jun 8, 2018 13:23:29 GMT -5
I think Rozier has removed any doubts of why Ainge took him at 16 in the draft. But as much as he's improved over the years, I'm still hesitant with Rozier -- he's too streaky. He'll take and make tough shots, but he'll miss the ones you'd expect him to make.
His FG% has been below average (though his 3pt% has jumped up). And so far, his TS% is far from star level.
Even in college, his FG% wasn't good.
Backup PG's who can score and defend are popping up a lot nowadays. If we can find one who can score efficiently, and defend at a high level, and come cheaply on a rookie contract, we'd have to let Terry go.
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Post by jrmzt on Jun 11, 2018 13:16:18 GMT -5
I'd find it tough to give Rozier starter money simply based on the playoffs. Not forgetting that less exposure to a player means less gametape and teams can't plan as much as they could. His efficiencies may not carry over if he was a regular season starter and teams could gameplan against his weaknesses. Kyrie on the other hand has succeeded at multiple levels regardless of the defender on him..so if it came down to retaining Kyrie by sacrificing keeping guys like Smart and Rozier...I think we have to do it.
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Post by Roadrunner on Jun 11, 2018 22:56:38 GMT -5
I'd find it tough to give Rozier starter money simply based on the playoffs. Not forgetting that less exposure to a player means less gametape and teams can't plan as much as they could. His efficiencies may not carry over if he was a regular season starter and teams could gameplan against his weaknesses. Kyrie on the other hand has succeeded at multiple levels regardless of the defender on him..so if it came down to retaining Kyrie by sacrificing keeping guys like Smart and Rozier...I think we have to do it. T. Rozier was great this year, however he only shot 40% from the FG, hence I agree I do not think he is worth started money, say $20m/year. Irving was close to 49%. |
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Post by jmost on Jun 12, 2018 5:58:35 GMT -5
I saw an article somewhere that had stats showing that TR played better the more minutes he played in a game, and better in each quarter as the game went on. The conclusion was that he is better suited to be a starter as he seems to need to work his way into a game before he's effective - not a great attribute for a bench guy. I don't know how much credit to give this theory. I think the whole thing with Terry is confidence, and I would expect his overall performance last year, especially since Kyrie went down, should boost his confidence a lot heading into 2018-2019.
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Post by eddietours on Jun 12, 2018 10:48:26 GMT -5
we need to keep Rozier one more year
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Post by Roadrunner on Jun 12, 2018 18:27:31 GMT -5
I saw an article somewhere that had stats showing that TR played better the more minutes he played in a game, and better in each quarter as the game went on. The conclusion was that he is better suited to be a starter as he seems to need to work his way into a game before he's effective - not a great attribute for a bench guy. I don't know how much credit to give this theory. I think the whole thing with Terry is confidence, and I would expect his overall performance last year, especially since Kyrie went down, should boost his confidence a lot heading into 2018-2019. I think Rozier is simply better playing with better players, similar to Bradley never being the 6th man. IT could play the 6th man role, because Stevens designed plays for him off the pick and role. I do not think Rozier is strong enough yet. Perhaps 1-2 years away. |
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jun 12, 2018 18:51:37 GMT -5
I think Rozier is a rhythm player. He needs to find his rhythm within the game to be effective. Guys like Eddie House can come in and jack up shots cold turkey and they'll fall in. Terry's not that type.
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Post by freshnthehouse on Jun 12, 2018 19:04:13 GMT -5
I think we need to make a decision this summer on Rozier and Kyrie. If we don't feel he'll resign, move Kyrie. If we have a hunch he will resign, move Rozier while his value is high.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jun 12, 2018 19:21:58 GMT -5
I think we need to make a decision this summer on Rozier and Kyrie. If we don't feel he'll resign, move Kyrie. If we have a hunch he will resign, move Rozier while his value is high. From the way Kyrie was talking in todays' interview, you can see that he wants to be here, with coach Brad and especially with his teammates (he was gushing about them) -- at least for this year. And if all goes as it should, and we make it to the Finals and really compete, I don't see how Kyrie doesn't sign here long term next summer. Wish I knew what kind of interst there is in Rozier around the league. How high a draft pick can he net us? |
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