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Post by DERRENMATTS on May 31, 2018 20:24:08 GMT -5
A year ago, Ainge held the 1st overall pick in his hands, with first dibs on any player he wanted. He elected to trade it away and allowed two other GM's put their hands in the cookie jar first. In essence, Ainge gave Philly and Los Angeles a chance to grab the best player before he had a chance to.
A year later, we see that Ainge still came out with the winner.
How did Ainge know to stay clear of Markelle? Whatever Ainge knew, Philly obviously didn't. And many Celtics fans (including myself) were fooled as well. We gushed over Markelle and his smooth-as-butter game. Philly was so enamored with Markelle that they gave Ainge the 3rd pick and also a future 1st rounder too -- they just had to have him. While Markelle sparkled in Philly's eyes, Jayson Tatum was the apple in Ainge's eye.
Is Ainge a genius? Did he perceive things about Markelle Fultz that Brian Collangelo didn't? Did he see Markelle's fragile physique? Did he anticipate physical problems that led to Markelle not being able to shoot (if that story is indeed true)?
Whatever it may be, Ainge is a genius for knowing that Tatum would fall to [HASH]3. And the way he fleeced Philly for an additional draft pick was genius as well.
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Post by jmost on May 31, 2018 21:22:26 GMT -5
How much was Ainge loving Tatum and how much was his seeing something in Fultz he didn't like, we'll probably never know. Can you imagine if Fultz never gets it in gear and the Sacro pick winds up yielding us another star? Ainge is entering Auerbach territory with the steals he's made on trades.
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Post by Roadrunner on May 31, 2018 22:57:46 GMT -5
How much was Ainge loving Tatum and how much was his seeing something in Fultz he didn't like, we'll probably never know. Can you imagine if Fultz never gets it in gear and the Sacro pick winds up yielding us another star? Ainge is entering Auerbach territory with the steals he's made on trades. What if the SAC selection is a better player than Fultz? A very very good possibility. My thinking w/ Ainge. He liked Tatum, and Jackson and figured one of the two players would be available @3 and thought Fultz would definitely be taken either #1, or #2 overall. |
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jun 1, 2018 2:28:38 GMT -5
How much was Ainge loving Tatum and how much was his seeing something in Fultz he didn't like, we'll probably never know. Can you imagine if Fultz never gets it in gear and the Sacro pick winds up yielding us another star? Ainge is entering Auerbach territory with the steals he's made on trades. Ainge said (and i genuinely believe him) that he would have taken Tatum if we kept the first pick. Colangelo was so sold on Fultz that he offered much to secure getting him. So on the one hand you have Ainge, who didn’t value Fultz all that much, and then you have Colangelo, who seemingly over-paid to have Fultz. |
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Post by FLCeltsFan on Jun 1, 2018 20:02:32 GMT -5
I'd have to say that Colangelo is clueless, especially with the controversy about his burner accounts on twitter sharing confidential information. But I think Danny just liked Tatum so much. It could have been as simple as liking Tatum's demeanor and attitude more than he did Fultz' rather than their games. I think almost everyone liked Fultz with the top pick and I don't think anyone had any clue that he would melt down like he did.
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Post by Roadrunner on Jun 1, 2018 22:53:45 GMT -5
Danny Ainge...we do not bluff!
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Post by runrondo on Jun 4, 2018 9:40:03 GMT -5
Brad Stevens obviously loves the research from Angela Duckworth about "Grit" and Carol Dweck's concepts of Growth vs. fixed mindsets (if you haven't read either I'd recommend them). Just hearing him talk he always talks in those terms (and mentions them by name in some) and I'm sure Danny might look at players in the same way.
I think it's clear to see that Tatum doesn't rest on his potential or "talent". He believes he can grow and get better and comes from a family where this would be understood (since he's related to people who made it to the NBA). I'm not sure about Fultz's history, but just his demeanor on the court and how his team did in College might have told them he might not have had the mindset they were looking for with a focus on having that grit to overcome obstacles and priding themselves on doing the mundane day-to-day tasks to get better every day. Again, this is speculative but a conversation or interviews with the two young guys would probably tell them all they need to know in terms of how they view their work ethic and mindset.
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Post by Roadrunner on Jun 4, 2018 10:59:56 GMT -5
Brad Stevens obviously loves the research from Angela Duckworth about "Grit" and Carol Dweck's concepts of Growth vs. fixed mindsets (if you haven't read either I'd recommend them). Just hearing him talk he always talks in those terms (and mentions them by name in some) and I'm sure Danny might look at players in the same way. I think it's clear to see that Tatum doesn't rest on his potential or "talent". He believes he can grow and get better and comes from a family where this would be understood (since he's related to people who made it to the NBA). I'm not sure about Fultz's history, but just his demeanor on the court and how his team did in College might have told them he might not have had the mindset they were looking for with a focus on having that grit to overcome obstacles and priding themselves on doing the mundane day-to-day tasks to get better every day. Again, this is speculative but a conversation or interviews with the two young guys would probably tell them all they need to know in terms of how they view their work ethic and mindset. Last year, an NBA executive was quoted (paraphrased) that all the teams Fultz had ever played for lost and it scarred him to death. |
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jun 4, 2018 12:06:53 GMT -5
Brad Stevens obviously loves the research from Angela Duckworth about "Grit" and Carol Dweck's concepts of Growth vs. fixed mindsets (if you haven't read either I'd recommend them). Just hearing him talk he always talks in those terms (and mentions them by name in some) and I'm sure Danny might look at players in the same way. I think it's clear to see that Tatum doesn't rest on his potential or "talent". He believes he can grow and get better and comes from a family where this would be understood (since he's related to people who made it to the NBA). I'm not sure about Fultz's history, but just his demeanor on the court and how his team did in College might have told them he might not have had the mindset they were looking for with a focus on having that grit to overcome obstacles and priding themselves on doing the mundane day-to-day tasks to get better every day. Again, this is speculative but a conversation or interviews with the two young guys would probably tell them all they need to know in terms of how they view their work ethic and mindset. I get that impression too. Not sure he's got the right mindset Ainge and Brad are looking for. Maybe too loose? Just got this vibe from him that maybe he's not the hardworking, all out sacrificing kind of guy. |
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Post by jmost on Jun 4, 2018 14:44:20 GMT -5
Brad Stevens obviously loves the research from Angela Duckworth about "Grit" and Carol Dweck's concepts of Growth vs. fixed mindsets (if you haven't read either I'd recommend them). Just hearing him talk he always talks in those terms (and mentions them by name in some) and I'm sure Danny might look at players in the same way. I think it's clear to see that Tatum doesn't rest on his potential or "talent". He believes he can grow and get better and comes from a family where this would be understood (since he's related to people who made it to the NBA). I'm not sure about Fultz's history, but just his demeanor on the court and how his team did in College might have told them he might not have had the mindset they were looking for with a focus on having that grit to overcome obstacles and priding themselves on doing the mundane day-to-day tasks to get better every day. Again, this is speculative but a conversation or interviews with the two young guys would probably tell them all they need to know in terms of how they view their work ethic and mindset. This post is part of why I love this place. You just don't see posts like this on any other sports board. I read Mindset last year and thought it was a great book and second runrondo's recommendation. I'll make a point to read Grit now as well. Thanks runrondo! One of the things that stuck in my mind about Jaylen Brown when he first arrived was his stated committment to working hard on his game. We knew he was elite athletically, and very smart too. Add in passion to be great and how could he go wrong? And now we see the results: an amazing amount of improvement since he's been in Boston. Brown, Tatum and Rozier share a passion to be great. You'd think all NBA players would. But they don't. Kudos to Danny and Brad for looking for and finding these guys |
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jun 4, 2018 14:57:54 GMT -5
Brad Stevens obviously loves the research from Angela Duckworth about "Grit" and Carol Dweck's concepts of Growth vs. fixed mindsets (if you haven't read either I'd recommend them). Just hearing him talk he always talks in those terms (and mentions them by name in some) and I'm sure Danny might look at players in the same way. I think it's clear to see that Tatum doesn't rest on his potential or "talent". He believes he can grow and get better and comes from a family where this would be understood (since he's related to people who made it to the NBA). I'm not sure about Fultz's history, but just his demeanor on the court and how his team did in College might have told them he might not have had the mindset they were looking for with a focus on having that grit to overcome obstacles and priding themselves on doing the mundane day-to-day tasks to get better every day. Again, this is speculative but a conversation or interviews with the two young guys would probably tell them all they need to know in terms of how they view their work ethic and mindset. This post is part of why I love this place. You just don't see posts like this on any other sports board. I read Mindset last year and thought it was a great book and second runrondo's recommendation. I'll make a point to read Grit now as well. Thanks runrondo! One of the things that stuck in my mind about Jaylen Brown when he first arrived was his stated committment to working hard on his game. We knew he was elite athletically, and very smart too. Add in passion to be great and how could he go wrong? And now we see the results: an amazing amount of improvement since he's been in Boston. Brown, Tatum and Rozier share a passion to be great. You'd think all NBA players would. But they don't. Kudos to Danny and Brad for looking for and finding these guys And you can bet Jaylen (and Tatum, and Rozier) will work their tail off even harder this summer, after seeing such positive results from their hard work last offseason. When they see their efforts rewarded, it makes it even more desirable to put even more effort into getting better. Jaylen maybe has even more pressure to step up his game big time, because of Tatum. If Tatum is not already ahead of Jaylen, he could very well be after another summer of improvement. You can bet Jaylen Brown has great motiviation to fuel his workouts. |
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Post by runrondo on Jun 4, 2018 19:07:46 GMT -5
Brad Stevens obviously loves the research from Angela Duckworth about "Grit" and Carol Dweck's concepts of Growth vs. fixed mindsets (if you haven't read either I'd recommend them). Just hearing him talk he always talks in those terms (and mentions them by name in some) and I'm sure Danny might look at players in the same way. I think it's clear to see that Tatum doesn't rest on his potential or "talent". He believes he can grow and get better and comes from a family where this would be understood (since he's related to people who made it to the NBA). I'm not sure about Fultz's history, but just his demeanor on the court and how his team did in College might have told them he might not have had the mindset they were looking for with a focus on having that grit to overcome obstacles and priding themselves on doing the mundane day-to-day tasks to get better every day. Again, this is speculative but a conversation or interviews with the two young guys would probably tell them all they need to know in terms of how they view their work ethic and mindset. This post is part of why I love this place. You just don't see posts like this on any other sports board. I read Mindset last year and thought it was a great book and second runrondo's recommendation. I'll make a point to read Grit now as well. Thanks runrondo! One of the things that stuck in my mind about Jaylen Brown when he first arrived was his stated committment to working hard on his game. We knew he was elite athletically, and very smart too. Add in passion to be great and how could he go wrong? And now we see the results: an amazing amount of improvement since he's been in Boston. Brown, Tatum and Rozier share a passion to be great. You'd think all NBA players would. But they don't. Kudos to Danny and Brad for looking for and finding these guys Yea, I wish I had read those books a long time ago. It's cool hearing Brad talk about these things in interviews and then hearing the players also talk in the same exact manner - they're really on the same page. I wouldn't be surprised if he had them read either (or both) of those books when he started coaching the team. Jaylen especially talks in terms of growth and fighting through things a lot. I believe I was listening to an Angela Duckworth interview about her book and sports and she mentioned the Celtics were the "grittiest" sports team with a smile because I believe her and Brad have chatted/met before. |
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Post by runrondo on Jun 4, 2018 19:19:54 GMT -5
28:40 mark - she mentions the Celtics as a gritty team with a gritty coach (and this was 2 years ago!).
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jun 25, 2018 13:47:18 GMT -5
It is said that Philly tried to package Markelle Fultz and draft picks to move up higher in the draft. Wow, already trying to trade away Markelle, after only 14 games in the NBA. Shows how little faith they have in him.
To think, Philly passed on drafting Jayson Tatum, and they gave us a future lottery pick so that they could get Markelle Fultz.
What a huge blunder, and chalk it up to Danny winning another trade.
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