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Post by DERRENMATTS on Dec 12, 2005 2:28:31 GMT -5
He's asking to be traded because he feels that he is hurting the team because of his negative attention he receives from fans and because he doesn't like the way Pacers' Rick Carlisle is using him.
I, for one, feel that Ron Artest is a heck of a basketball player who's as tough as any player in the NBA. And his basketball skills are incredible. Not only is he an adequate ball handler (and he doesn't force things with his dribbling either) but he's a capable outside shooter as well. And because he's so strong, he can power his way to the rim, take bumps and shoves and still convert buckets.
And this doesn't take into effect how physically dominant he is as a wing defender. Talk about shutting down his man!
I'm very interested in making us more defensive minded, and getting Artest is a big step in that direction.
Tony Allen is our best wing defender, followed very closely by Justin Reed (it may soon be the other way around). But Artest is much better than either guy. Pierce is not a good defender and Ricky isn't that good either.
Doc has been able to work with hot shots and get them playing under his concepts of team basketball (McGrady, Pierce, Ricky,etc.). He's a player's coach who communicates well with his players. I don't feel that Artest will be that hard to coach.
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Post by freshnthehouse on Dec 12, 2005 4:16:52 GMT -5
Nope. we dont need him and he wouldnt want to be here.
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Post by BCHISTORIAN on Dec 12, 2005 4:52:31 GMT -5
two things: i haven't seen that reed's defense i close to tony's. so far there's more hype about it. artest is unstable, althuogh i agree - he's heck of a player
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Post by Ossric on Dec 12, 2005 6:17:22 GMT -5
If we can get him at a Bargain price, i would take him. Just as a trading asset alone, he's worth the shot. but make no mistake about it, unless he miraculously because a good team player like Ricky, i would trade him in the summer.
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Post by FLCeltsFan on Dec 12, 2005 7:01:43 GMT -5
I remember when Ricky was brought in reading a lot of the same comments on boards. He is unstable etc etc. I say if we can get him without giving up any of our core players give it a try. Like maybe they want Raef, Blount or Veal? I doubt Larry will trade him without getting a very good player back. I tend to believe the Peja for Artest rumors. Altough seeing Artest and PP on the same team after all the bad blood that has gone between them would be pretty hard I imagine. I just don't see Larry trading him within the conference either. I think if he goes, it will be out west.
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Post by The Eye of the Q is upon you! on Dec 12, 2005 8:29:45 GMT -5
My betting money says he winds up in Dallas, LAC, Seattle, Portland, or Minnesota.
Larry will not trade him to the Celtics or the Knicks, that much is known.
Portland could offer Ruben Patterson and Darius Miles for Artest and that would be heckuva trade for both teams.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2005 11:56:35 GMT -5
If you want artest, we're looking either giving up Pierce, Davis or green to get him. The last thing we need on this team is another wingman at the 2-3 spot.
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Post by greenblood on Dec 12, 2005 14:38:27 GMT -5
I am with Derren on the fact that Artest in an undeniable talent. He has a decent outside stroke, as well an ability to drive to the hoop. He is also a very smart ball player, in that he moves well without the ball, makes smart passes, and out thinks his opponent on defense. Because of this however, Larry's asking price will be very high. In order for the Celtics to get him, they would have to put together a heck of a package, which would be sure to include Ricky or Paul. Ricky, would be my choice to trade, if I had to. With the way Pierce is playing, it makes no sense to trade him for a guy like who Artest, though equal in talent, has too many question marks.
As I have said before, don't trade Paul Pierce unless you are getting at least 95 cents on the dollar. However, Ricky alone wouldn't do it, and Danny would have to give up either Perk, Jefferson, or Gerald Green to get the deal done. In my opinion, Ricky plus one of the top young guns is too much to give up for a guy with all those character quesitons. So, unless Ricky with one of the less heralded young guys can't get Artest in green, than Ainge shouldn't make the deal.
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Post by eja117 on Dec 12, 2005 15:29:50 GMT -5
maybe we should try to get Mike Tyson and Michael jackson on the team as long as we are recruiting troubled but talented individuals
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Post by eddietours on Dec 12, 2005 15:41:44 GMT -5
life is about chances lets take one it cant be worst then manny!
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Post by eddietours on Dec 12, 2005 15:43:54 GMT -5
btw the did become world champ with manny headcase.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Dec 12, 2005 17:08:24 GMT -5
Can you imagine the combination of Pierce and Artest? Two strong wing players who can shoot or dirve to the basket. Double either one of them and the other one will burn you. I like Ricky Davis and think he's really become a terrific player because of his attitude adjustment. I'd have a hard time trading him. But how can you not be tempted if you can land Ron Artest?
But of course, it comes down to 1) if Larry Bird would even consider trading with us, and 2) who we'd have to give up.
Would any of you do a Ricky + Banks for Artest?
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Post by freshnthehouse on Dec 12, 2005 17:09:51 GMT -5
btw the did become world champ with manny headcase. The difference is, even if we could get Artest, we still wouldnt be close to winning a championship. We could add any wing player to this team and it still wouldnt be a realistic title contender. I've said it once, I'll say it again: There is no magic trade out there that is gonna make us a contender this year. This year is all about letting the kids play, IMO.
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Post by esco33 on Dec 12, 2005 21:24:27 GMT -5
Some of these points may have already been said but here goes:
-Ron Artest and Ricky Davis are 2 TOTALLY different situations.
You know I heard in summer leagues, Artest's first year, he tried punching Michael Jordan in the face. (Could be false, but that was a rumor going around back then) We know he jumped into the crowd after a fan, and actually stood in front of the Pistons bus weeks after the incident and provoked the entire team to come out.
Ricky Davis NEVER did any of that.
Artest is a great player, probly the best defender in the league, great passer, crafty scorer, can hit the 3.
Having said that, not worth the headaches especially with Ainge and Doc's new plan to attract "character guys" in the locker room.
Would rather have Pierce and Ricky together. Ricky is a natural 2. Artest and Pierce are both natural 3's. Even though Pierce has played 2 before, I think we would be a little slower with Pierce and Artest together. We really need help at other positions anyway, point guard, center, etc.
I wouldn't mind having Artest if the price was cheap, which probably it will not be, but for what we would have to give up to get him, I think the risk would be too high. It would have to be low-risk to acquire him, definitely not high risk.
Great player to have ON the court with your team, but it is the other baggage OFF the court that comes with him that would probably not work with this team.
I think the Knicks will eventually get him, and that will be a good fit for both him and the team.
I wonder if him and Larry Brown could actually co-exist though. I think they could.
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Post by Celtic17 on Dec 12, 2005 22:07:14 GMT -5
After our exit from the playoffs last year, I would have said yes. Now I say no. It would cost us PP or a group of young guys w/ too much up-side. Right now I wouldn't part with any of our kids (TA or Banks maybe). You know Larry would want Perk, Al or GG in the deal. No deal, IMO.
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