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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jun 6, 2017 17:09:10 GMT -5
I wonder if money might not be the thing that breaks up the Warriors. Maybe a guy like Klay, who will never be more than the 3rd guy on GS, might want to be THE MAN on another team - or at least the 2nd guy. He'd make a nice #3, maybe a #2 if he proves he can create his own offense more. |
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Post by Roadrunner on Jun 6, 2017 17:55:30 GMT -5
My guess is that GS will have to make a similar decision like OKC/Presti, and decide the 3 they want to keep. Curry, Durant, Green...Thompson the odd man out. Last year, there was a rumor of Avery Bradley (and pieces) for Thompson.
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Post by jmost on Jun 8, 2017 11:06:22 GMT -5
Someone may have already posted this, but I read somewhere that KD said he would take less to keep the gang together, and that Curry likely would too. It wouldn't shock me. Regardless, these guys will have more money than anyone needs, and GS has built a fun culture. Who wouldn't want to have fun at work and win, even if you aren't making the absolute most you could? I know I'd rather be happy and make a little less.
Last night (Game 3) James and Irving played about as well as they can play, the Cavs had numerous balls fall through after bouncing around on the rim, the Warriors were sloppy much of the game, and GS still pulled it out on the road in a near-must situation for the Cavs. These guys could dominate the league for years.
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Post by FLCeltsFan on Jun 8, 2017 12:16:35 GMT -5
I agree that Thompson is the odd man out in that group. Money may influence whether that whole group stays together or not. It's possible that injuries could derail them in future seasons. That's what derailed the Celtics after the 2008 title.
That being said, if I was the Celtics, I'd keep the pick and continue building and developing their young talent...Fultz, Brown, Zizic, Rozier, '18 Pick and maybe Crowder, AB or Smart. I could also see bringing in Hayward if he wants to sign but I don't like the idea of trading picks, players, etc to get George or Butler, neither of which want to be in Boston. We aren't in win now mode. We need to be in compete now and win long into the future, in my opinion.
If Danny trades that [HASH]1 pick for an established star, I think he will be sorry eventually when Fultz comes into his prime.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jun 8, 2017 17:55:40 GMT -5
I agree that Thompson is the odd man out in that group. Money may influence whether that whole group stays together or not. It's possible that injuries could derail them in future seasons. That's what derailed the Celtics after the 2008 title. That being said, if I was the Celtics, I'd keep the pick and continue building and developing their young talent...Fultz, Brown, Zizic, Rozier, '18 Pick and maybe Crowder, AB or Smart. I could also see bringing in Hayward if he wants to sign but I don't like the idea of trading picks, players, etc to get George or Butler, neither of which want to be in Boston. We aren't in win now mode. We need to be in compete now and win long into the future, in my opinion. If Danny trades that [HASH]1 pick for an established star, I think he will be sorry eventually when Fultz comes into his prime. That's probably the likeliest route we're going to take. We can still field a competitive team if we sign Hayward, keep our core together, and draft + develop our young players. And keep our fingers crossed that Jaylen, Fultz and the 2018 lottery pick turn out to be studs (and maybe even an MVP caliber player). |
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Post by jhvos7979 on Jun 9, 2017 16:11:26 GMT -5
Logical choice is to hang tight as GS have 3-5 year window with that current core depending on how money driven Green/Thompson get at the end of their deal. Celtics do need the young guys to step to handle the reigns when the window open up for them otherwise we'll be in the same spot trying to rebuild this team.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jun 9, 2017 16:37:10 GMT -5
Logical choice is to hang tight as GS have 3-5 year window with that current core depending on how money driven Green/Thompson get at the end of their deal. Celtics do need the young guys to step to handle the reigns when the window open up for them otherwise we'll be in the same spot trying to rebuild this team. In 3 - 5 years, guys like Horford and IT (if he's still with us) will be ready to pass the baton to Jaylen and Co.. Hopefully, in 3 - 5 years, Jaylen and Co. will be ready for stardom. |
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Post by Roadrunner on Jun 9, 2017 18:01:48 GMT -5
Someone may have already posted this, but I read somewhere that KD said he would take less to keep the gang together, and that Curry likely would too. It wouldn't shock me. Regardless, these guys will have more money than anyone needs, and GS has built a fun culture. Who wouldn't want to have fun at work and win, even if you aren't making the absolute most you could? I know I'd rather be happy and make a little less. Last night (Game 3) James and Irving played about as well as they can play, the Cavs had numerous balls fall through after bouncing around on the rim, the Warriors were sloppy much of the game, and GS still pulled it out on the road in a near-must situation for the Cavs. These guys could dominate the league for years. I do not think if Curry, or Durant took a pay cut that it would help, because the repeater tax is huge. |
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Post by FLCeltsFan on Jun 12, 2017 15:18:58 GMT -5
Unless they agree to the Vet minimum, I agree that taking less won't help much. They aren't going to take that much less. Maybe they won't take the max, but there are 5 stars on that team who will want to get paid. Their payroll for 2016-17 was 107,526,542. That is with Curry making 12,112,359, Green making 15,330,435, and Thompson making 16,663,575. Durant is making 26,540,100 with a player option of $27,734,405 for next year.
Thompson is signed through 2019 and Green through 2020. Curry, Iguodala, Livingston, Jason Thompson, Pachulia, Varejao, West, and McGee are all free agents this summer. I just don't see them all biting the bullet and taking little to nothing to sign there when the salaries are going sky high due to the new TV deals. I mean they will look at players like Evan Turner getting 70 million and want their share. If they win this year, they will all have a ring and won't be near as hungry. I just don't see them all staying together and if they do, I just don't see them staying injury free and definitely not as hungry. All that will make them vulnerable next season.
As for the Cavs, they are also beatable. They have players (other than LeBron) who have injury problems. They are also a year older, especially LeBron.
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Post by eja117 on Jun 12, 2017 15:44:36 GMT -5
That's a good point. If you're a KD and you can sign in Golden State for 12 or somewhere else (Boston?) for 29.....decision land
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jun 12, 2017 23:06:28 GMT -5
Unless they agree to the Vet minimum, I agree that taking less won't help much. They aren't going to take that much less. Maybe they won't take the max, but there are 5 stars on that team who will want to get paid. Their payroll for 2016-17 was 107,526,542. That is with Curry making 12,112,359, Green making 15,330,435, and Thompson making 16,663,575. Durant is making 26,540,100 with a player option of $27,734,405 for next year. Thompson is signed through 2019 and Green through 2020. Curry, Iguodala, Livingston, Jason Thompson, Pachulia, Varejao, West, and McGee are all free agents this summer. I just don't see them all biting the bullet and taking little to nothing to sign there when the salaries are going sky high due to the new TV deals. I mean they will look at players like Evan Turner getting 70 million and want their share. If they win this year, they will all have a ring and won't be near as hungry. I just don't see them all staying together and if they do, I just don't see them staying injury free and definitely not as hungry. All that will make them vulnerable next season. As for the Cavs, they are also beatable. They have players (other than LeBron) who have injury problems. They are also a year older, especially LeBron. Excellent points. It isn't likely the 4 stay together, unless the Warriors owner doesn't care about spending huge amounts in penalties. |
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Post by FLCeltsFan on Jun 13, 2017 10:32:09 GMT -5
I just read this article about how the new CBA that goes into effect on July1 will make it easier for the Warriors to keep their group together. But it assumes that the owners will want to pay hefty repeater lux tax penalties to do so. It's going to be interesting to see if they do. www.sbnation.com/2017/6/9/15767824/warriors-future-salaries-cap-nba-cba-free-agenyOh, and the word is that LeBron plans to stay in Cleveland one more year and then bolt for the Lakers. |
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Post by Roadrunner on Jun 13, 2017 17:48:17 GMT -5
NBA owners are in the business to make money. Some owners have deeper wallets than others. GS was at $107,526,542 for 2016/2017. CLE was at $128,492,467 for 2016/2017.
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