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Post by FLCeltsFan on Jan 30, 2017 13:42:45 GMT -5
Jae has quietly been playing very, very well. He is averaging 48.8% from the field, 42.7% from beyond the arc, and 90.6% from the line. He's very close to the vaunted 50-40-90 plateau.
And add to his stellar offensive stats this season the fact that he is tasked with guarding some of the opponents' best players, he is playing very well indeed. Plus, he makes big plays. Against the Bucks, he hit 4 clutch free throws down the stretch and grabbed the rebound to clinch the win.
Now realize that we are paying him less than 7 million dollars and he is signed for 4 more years after this one. Talk about a bargain. He has improved considerably since he has come to Boston and by all accounts he is one of the hardest workers on the team.
I'd say he's as close to untouchable in a trade as they come.
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Post by freshnthehouse on Jan 31, 2017 0:49:07 GMT -5
Yup, he is definitely one of the best bargains in the NBA right now. Dude is gonna be a Celtic for a very long time.
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Post by jrmzt on Jan 31, 2017 11:35:17 GMT -5
Speaking of Crowder... bleacherreport.com/articles/2690272-jimmy-butler-trade-rumors-latest-news-speculation-surrounding-bulls-sfApparently we're looking to try trade for Butler again? And we might offer the 1st AND crowder?  I admit I'd concede the 1st and maybe a guy like Smart but Crowder is a tough pill for me to swallow. I want to say that Crowder has less "stats" than Butler simply because a majority is being spread around evenly (albeit slightly more shot for IT)..so if Butler came here, would his stats looks like Crowders or would someone elses stats take a dip? Horford? Avery? Also it doesnt address our 5 spot problem..not unless we're set in stone that Zizic is the answer |
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Post by FLCeltsFan on Jan 31, 2017 14:37:51 GMT -5
Butler is not as good on the defensive end as Crowder. I personally would rather have Crowder who is a team guy all the way. Butler is a prima donna who took concerns about teammates to social media and to the press. Not good. With the improvement pretty much game by game for Crowder, I'd much rather have him and I think he's a much better fit for this team. If they trade Crowder for Butler, there goes half of the teams grit and energy. He just brings it game in and game out and I don't see that from Butler.
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Post by jmost on Jan 31, 2017 18:12:19 GMT -5
I think Crowder and the Net's pick is too much. It's hard, because we have the best shot at the overall [HASH]1, and you hear Scal say he thinks Fultz is a "generational" player, and you ask yourself if you're willing to trade that possibility away for a guy who is very good, but IMO not truly great. Then you add in Crowder? I say it's too much. Plus, Butler is 27. If we're shooting for another 5 year window, as we did with Allen and KG, it makes some sense to pair Butler with IT and Horford. But if we want to build something durable, let's keep the picks and add them to our young core.
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Post by Roadrunner on Jan 31, 2017 18:18:01 GMT -5
I think Crowder and the Net's pick is too much. It's hard, because we have the best shot at the overall [HASH]1, and you hear Scal say he thinks Fultz is a "generational" player, and you ask yourself if you're willing to trade that possibility away for a guy who is very good, but IMO not truly great. Then you add in Crowder? I say it's too much. Agree. Butler is like a marginal upgrade at SF, when BOS already is developing Brown. Crowder can guard multiple positions; bargain contract; great teammate. |
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Post by runrondo on Feb 1, 2017 23:44:39 GMT -5
Butler is no slouch on the defensive end either. I think he'd finally give us a true scorer other than IT which would do wonders for our team especially against the tougher teams. Would I trade Crowder and the 1st for Butler - no way. I think Crowder and his contract is perfect and that position is not a need as I'd like to let Brown develop as well.
The only player I'd like to hear us having talks with is Cousins as I feel he'd fit all our needs. Only issue is the amount we'd have to give up for him - would it be worth it? I'm not sure, but he's a hell of a player.
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Post by Roadrunner on Feb 2, 2017 23:34:20 GMT -5
Butler is no slouch on the defensive end either. I think he'd finally give us a true scorer other than IT which would do wonders for our team especially against the tougher teams. Would I trade Crowder and the 1st for Butler - no way. I think Crowder and his contract is perfect and that position is not a need as I'd like to let Brown develop as well. The only player I'd like to hear us having talks with is Cousins as I feel he'd fit all our needs. Only issue is the amount we'd have to give up for him - would it be worth it? I'm not sure, but he's a hell of a player. Cousins is a headcase, however Horford is really a 4 playing the 5, and BOS would have the inside/outside offense to compete. |
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Post by jrmzt on Feb 5, 2017 15:27:32 GMT -5
Butler is no slouch on the defensive end either. I think he'd finally give us a true scorer other than IT which would do wonders for our team especially against the tougher teams. Would I trade Crowder and the 1st for Butler - no way. I think Crowder and his contract is perfect and that position is not a need as I'd like to let Brown develop as well. The only player I'd like to hear us having talks with is Cousins as I feel he'd fit all our needs. Only issue is the amount we'd have to give up for him - would it be worth it? I'm not sure, but he's a hell of a player. Cousins is a headcase, however Horford is really a 4 playing the 5, and BOS would have the inside/outside offense to compete. I've had the unfortunate experience of watching mainly Kings games recently as it was the only ones on TV. That said, watching them beat the Warriors yesterday was oddly satisfying. Anyway to get to my point, watching Cousins play...makes me pause and reflect on my desire to have him on this team. It seems all I've ever really known about him is his statistics..the video game numbers he puts up. But watching him actually play and he is everything we are NOT. I really don't see him fitting in our system, I don't see him accepting anything less than the most amount of shots on the team..I see so much immaturity...so many dirty cheap fouls and him looking like A-Rod when hes called out...Remember A-Rod's face when he slapped the ball out in the 2004 ALCS and acted innocently? Thats the face I see on Cousins on nearly everything he is called for and every call that doesn't go his way. At no point does he attempt to make his team better...he posts down low, either takes a highly contested shot, a bad angle or waits till the last second to flip up a hail mary...he'll pass to get some assist statistics but only out of sheer desperation if he is double teamed (and often he'll still try fight through double teams and ignore his open teammate)..Do I see him coexisting with the likes of Thomas, Horford, Crowder, Bradley? No.. So to end my Cousins rant..I'm definitely no longer in favour of any Cousins trade. I'm guessing Ainge sees this in the scouting report...hence the reason he hasnt pulled the trigger on offering multiple picks for Cousins. I think Whiteside would be a far superior fit. He may not have the offensive skills but the number of 2nd chance rebounds he gets and feeds to open teammates will only boost our offense which is actually already pretty good. |
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Post by runrondo on Feb 7, 2017 17:37:56 GMT -5
Yea he's well on his way to leading the league again in technicals. I think it's pretty obvious he's an emotional player, but I'd like to think we could contain him better than a mediocre franchise does. Still, point taken.
I also love Whiteside. Again, it'd be tough to get anyone without really disrupting what we really have which is the balance Ainge is dealing with. Even if he sits with what he has, it's still a pretty great position to be in.
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Post by jrmzt on Feb 7, 2017 23:29:13 GMT -5
Yea he's well on his way to leading the league again in technicals. I think it's pretty obvious he's an emotional player, but I'd like to think we could contain him better than a mediocre franchise does. Still, point taken. I also love Whiteside. Again, it'd be tough to get anyone without really disrupting what we really have which is the balance Ainge is dealing with. Even if he sits with what he has, it's still a pretty great position to be in. Too true. Watching the Cs play, I'm so glad we got Horford because he isn't a paint clogging big man. He allows IT to drive into the paint for layups without getting in the way. Perhaps my only problem is that he is sometimes too far from the basket to grab O-rebounds but thats just nitpicking a guy who is naturally a 4. Someone like Whiteside intrigues me if he can be the 2nd option for IT to sneak some smooth passes to him for dunks when IT draws the double teams when he drives. Or if Whiteside could charge the basket for 2nd chance putbacks. |
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Post by Roadrunner on Feb 7, 2017 23:33:24 GMT -5
Yea he's well on his way to leading the league again in technicals. I think it's pretty obvious he's an emotional player, but I'd like to think we could contain him better than a mediocre franchise does. Still, point taken. I also love Whiteside. Again, it'd be tough to get anyone without really disrupting what we really have which is the balance Ainge is dealing with. Even if he sits with what he has, it's still a pretty great position to be in. Too true. Watching the Cs play, I'm so glad we got Horford because he isn't a paint clogging big man. He allows IT to drive into the paint for layups without getting in the way. Perhaps my only problem is that he is sometimes too far from the basket to grab O-rebounds but thats just nitpicking a guy who is naturally a 4. Someone like Whiteside intrigues me if he can be the 2nd option for IT to sneak some smooth passes to him for dunks when IT draws the double teams when he drives. Or if Whiteside could charge the basket for 2nd chance putbacks. Horford was never a rebounder. One aspect he has improved on is facilitating, and his assists are a career best. |
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Post by eddietours on Feb 8, 2017 12:34:42 GMT -5
no deal is good deal
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