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Post by cfoo on Jul 9, 2014 18:01:56 GMT -5
I'm listening to felger right now and they are having a good debate. one of the guys on the show thinks LeBron is just evil and is using Cleveland as leverage and is going to screw them over again. While they are making trades to get in position to get him Lebron is talking to Pat Riley.
Felger is saying if he goes back to Cleveland he will like LeBron because he's doing the right thing. I actually agree with the other guy that LeBron is just going to do what is best for him ultimately. When Cleveland stunk he left. If they are a better situation he'll go there. If Miami comes back and can appease LeBron he'll stay there. It's just how he is.
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Post by cfoo on Jul 9, 2014 18:08:00 GMT -5
I don't agree or disagree with it either. That's his choice ultimately and his right to do what is best for him but he can deal with the consequences of that too. I don't consider LeBron a rolemodel that is for sure. I disagree with how he is in a lot of ways. There are levels of being a jerk and screwing over people. The Celtics are just in it and driving players values up in their own way. I don't think boston fans should scoff at players so much. I'd like to build a homegrown team that is loyal and everything in between but fans aren't loyal themselves so I don't know.
Not a big fan of LeBron. It's that whole no regard for human life thing and being a narcissist to levels I don't like. He'll spin it as racism too when it's not that. I just think there are levels of being a jerk.
Kids who look up to him and see him as a rolemodel I don't really agree with that either. Because that is how a lot of people are. I get taking care of yourself and all that but levels of that are just stupid and has its flaws as well.
Lebron definitely crosses that line of being a complete sleazebag and racist himself sometimes.
He whines about Cleveland bitching about him leaving but he's the first guy to (censored) himself when he doesn't get what he wants. Lebron is a hypocrite.
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Post by cfoo on Jul 9, 2014 18:36:48 GMT -5
The whole thing with James calling out KG and Pierce for going to NJ after what was said about them proved to me that he is hypocritical. He was hurt that people got mad at him for leaving Cleveland so he lashed out at pierce and kg saying they were hypocrites for saying what they did about him when it wasn't pierce's or KG's choice to leave. Pierce and KG also didn't have a big show about it or play the race card and fans didn't hate them for it.
What LeBron doesn't like being treated like (censored)? amazing. maybe he should learn from that and not to treat people that way.
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Post by freshnthehouse on Jul 9, 2014 19:06:38 GMT -5
The whole thing with James calling out KG and Pierce for going to NJ after what was said about them proved to me that he is hypocritical. He was hurt that people got mad at him for leaving Cleveland so he lashed out at pierce and kg saying they were hypocrites for saying what they did about him when it wasn't pierce's or KG's choice to leave. Pierce and KG also didn't have a big show about it or play the race card and fans didn't hate them for it. KG had a choice. He has a no-trade clause in his deal.
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Post by cfoo on Jul 9, 2014 19:07:48 GMT -5
It was a completely different situation though. LeBron calling them out for that was ridiculous to me. KG saying worry about your own team was good to me. The difference was KG was doing the Celtics a favor and was helping the team. Doc did the same stuff and people hated on Doc so I can see Doc being a bit whatever on that. I think fans were hypocritical in that regard hating on Doc and loving KG.
KG and Pierce were doing us a favor though. Totally different situation.
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Post by freshnthehouse on Jul 9, 2014 19:11:15 GMT -5
If they are a better situation he'll go there. If Miami comes back and can appease LeBron he'll stay there. It's just how he is. That is what free agency is all about. Players back in the day fought for guys to have this option. Of course LeBron should do what is best for him. This is his job. Who wouldn't look to choose the best work environment? Being loyal to a team is a sucker's bet. Teams care about themselves, not the players. There's a reason there's been 2 lock outs in the last 15 years. The teams want more money at the player's expense. As a player, you'd better keep that in mind. Teams are looking to maximize profits and/or franchise value, as a player there is nothing wrong with doing the same thing for yourself.
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Post by cfoo on Jul 9, 2014 19:12:23 GMT -5
Lebron on the other hand was going on national TV playing the race card and acting like Cleveland were slave drivers and he was a slave being held captive. KG didn't do that. That's what free agency is for. Why I say more power to LeBron. I don't agree with Cleveland getting mad because it made them look bad. But LeBron was just as bad for treating people like that.
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Post by cfoo on Jul 9, 2014 19:13:56 GMT -5
If they are a better situation he'll go there. If Miami comes back and can appease LeBron he'll stay there. It's just how he is. That is what free agency is all about. Players back in the day fought for guys to have this option. Of course LeBron should do what is best for him. This is his job. Who wouldn't look to choose the best work environment? Being loyal to a team is a sucker's bet. Teams care about themselves, not the players. There's a reason there's been 2 lock outs in the last 15 years. The teams want more money at the player's expense. As a player, you'd better keep that in mind. Teams are looking to maximize profits and/or franchise value, as a player there is nothing wrong with doing the same thing for yourself. That's wh at I was saying though. It's how he is. That's fine. Did he have to go on national tv and make it out like he was being treated like a slave? no. He was a free agent he could leave. like I said that's fine I agree people should do what's best for them. treating people like (censored) in the process I disagree with.
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Post by freshnthehouse on Jul 9, 2014 19:14:52 GMT -5
Lebron on the other hand was going on national TV playing the race card and acting like Cleveland were slave drivers and he was a slave being held captive. When did Lebron play the race card on national TV?
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Post by cfoo on Jul 9, 2014 19:17:58 GMT -5
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Post by cfoo on Jul 9, 2014 19:20:19 GMT -5
jesse Jackson also played the race card saying gilberts reaction was that of a slave master. They tried to humiliate Cleveland. the truth is LeBron is just a jerk in that regard becausae I never felt that way about him. Liked him as a player and had his back and didn't care if he was doing what was best for him. To each their own. I think what he did was racist and ignorant because it is.
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Post by cfoo on Jul 9, 2014 19:24:52 GMT -5
Was Dan Gilbert his slave master? lol. So you take that stuff out on a person that had nothing to do with that. that's exactly what he did. Stupidity and just proves that racism and people harbor ill will even still in a lot of directions. Lebron included.
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Post by freshnthehouse on Jul 9, 2014 19:30:06 GMT -5
I gotcha. I thought you meant he played the race card on The Decision. As far as that interview, I agree with pretty much everything he says. Race definitely played a role in how his leaving Cleveland was received. Race, in some way, plays a role pretty much in everything. Dude was asked a question and he gave the same answer 99% of NBA players would give. And that article brings up a good point about The Decision. Say what you want about it, but that one 1/2 hour of TV raised hundreds of thousands of dollars for the Boys and Girls Club. I'd be willing to bet that that gesture contributed more to the community than the 99.9% of the people complaining about LeBron will contribute in their entire lives.
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Post by cfoo on Jul 9, 2014 19:58:35 GMT -5
So you are saying race plays a part in everything. Racism is prejudice and forming an opinion before even knowing the facts. I don't think race plays a role in everything. I more tend to think compassion and understanding vs prejudging things and making accusations is the way to go.
People contribute in different ways. It's not all about money. Lebron contributing a lot of money does not undermine the people who work in the boys and girls clubs every day or mean that LeBron contributed more.
30 minutes of lebrons time rased a lot of money and millions of dollars. People have spend millions of hours of their time contributing to the girls and boys club.
That's not me undermining people either. You just said LeBron contributed more than 99.9% of the people will in their entire lives. Racism is a feeling of superiority and discrimination towards other people. People contribute in different ways.
The issue to me is anyone who criticizes LeBron is apparently a racist when that isn't the case.
People come from different backgrounds from all over black, white, Asian, Hispanic whatever. IT's more about just compassion and understanding differences to me. Does race play a role in that regard? Sure. Does it mean every person who was criticial of LeBron was about race or that played a part? No.
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Post by cfoo on Jul 9, 2014 19:59:45 GMT -5
Everything is not about race. Saying that in ways is racist. It's actually the definition of what a racist is. Yes race plays a part. I know how people mean that too but there are levels of it. Jesse Jackson imo takes it too far. Yes some people need someone to stand up and fight for the rights of people and I respect jesse Jackson in that regard but I can be critical of him too when he goes too far imo. People have the freedom to do what they want and that goes a lot of different ways.
I'm having dinner right now. I can make it about race if i want but that would be a bit much right now because i'm not a racist or crazy and some things are a bit much and taken to levels of extremes that don't need to be.
If things were more about decency imo and not about race so much that would be better.
The facts are people prejudge without even knowing the facts. Lebron did that himself. He hasn't spoken to those people or know why they think what they do which makes him just as wrong in my book.
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