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Post by sprash98 on Jul 14, 2005 7:54:21 GMT -5
Ok. Its been awhile since I posted here. The last time I did, people were offended at my usage of the English language and one of the regulars, a poster that I respect, criticized me for my bashing of Walker. Throw in my thesis defense last month and the preceding preparations and now prepartions for interviews in the upcoming week, I have had little time to visit my friends here. So here goes...
1. Still seething over the Game 7 debacle. Indy is a good team, with an experienced lineup and a terrific coach, but I still cant get over the fact the Cs, in the words of Peter Gabriel and Genesis, laid down like Lamb on Broadway. The fact that Pierce was pretty much the only one to show up consistently in all the games really pissed me off.
2. Psyched about our draft picks. I really wonder if Ainge is THE Leperchaun. I mean, he snagged Al at 15 and Green at 18. How lucky must a man have to be for that? And I know people are all eager to see Green, but dont get disappointed if he doenst sniff the court this year. He's just not ready, physically and mentally, to make the leap just yet.
3. Dont you just love it when people make plans to get rid of Pierce just because Green is on board. I know its the offseason, this is a message board and this is the time for speculation, but come on. It is a well-known fact that Green is not ready. I know people will immediately point out that Al played a lot last year. Here is the difference. Al pretty much had an NBA ready body. And more importantly, he has a steady head on his shoulders. Let us be patient. We are not going to compete for the title for atleast 3 years. Thats how long its gonna take Al to become into the force that we all hope he would turn into. So lets not trade away our players, just yet.
Any organization needs stability to establish chemistry. And the Cs have had plenty of turnover in personnel already in Ainges reign. SO let this team grow together. No one on this team is such a detriment that he has to be rid of immediately, nor is any trade gonna be good enough to push us over the hump. The young guns barely scratched the surface last year, and even that left all of us wanting for more. The future holds a lot of promise, so let this team get familiar with themselves.
The same goes to Banks. Immediatly after ppl heard that we were after Saras, there were a lot of Banks trade discussions. Why cant a team have 3 PGS? In fact, almost all teams go with 3 PGs. And Banks is the best at penetrating, something that West isnt good at. And of course, he plays great D. lets not run him out of town, just yet.
4. Cant wait to watch the Cs in the Summer League.
5. WHy dont they begin the new season already? Its just not the same without basketball. And add to the fact that I cant watch cricket no more, it flat out sucks.
More musings later...
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Post by cfoo on Jul 14, 2005 10:22:43 GMT -5
Good points Sprash. I'm pretty much over game 7 though. That was a rough series, but the draft made up for it. I agree completely about Pierce. I see no reason why he should go at this point unless he is undermining the system, which I really don't think Pierce is that type of guy. Does he get frustrated? sure. CAn he be worked with? I still think so... I agree Green isn't ready nor will be be this season. He could pay 15-20 minutes a game tops, but that doesn't really affect Pierce at this point. Point 2 you have every reason to be excited. We got the steal of the 1st round with Green, and then we came back and got who I believe is the steal of the "draft" in gomes..... Now if anyone is going to cloud Pierce's future "this season" it's going to gomes not green at this point.
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Post by BCHISTORIAN on Jul 14, 2005 14:40:07 GMT -5
if green gets 10 minutes a game it is more than i expect at this point. gomes will definitely play more
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Post by Ossric on Jul 14, 2005 16:21:37 GMT -5
if green gets 10 minutes a game it is more than i expect at this point. gomes will definitely play more i even expect him to average only 5 minutes a game. More of a 'Perkins' rookie year. Learning all the X's & O's & preparing his body for the NBA. |
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Post by meltinjohn on Jul 14, 2005 16:25:18 GMT -5
Yea the celtics get all these hs'ers but don't play them much. This is why I can see Green getting 15mpg or lesser perhaps. Orien Greene will be on the ir too. Gomes is the only one I see in this draft playing more next season. Reed possibly. I see Blount, Green and Orien being on the ir most of the year. If Green plays more, Reed moves back to the ir.
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Post by Celtic17 on Jul 14, 2005 18:16:47 GMT -5
Johnny-
Under the new CBA there is no "IR", like we are use to. All team will have 14 players active, on the bench, for each game. We will have the option to send 1st & 2nd year players (I believe) to the NBDL. If I read it right the guys sent to the NBDL can be moved back-and-forth to the NBA team, if injuries occur. Don't mark my words but I think this is true.
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Post by ferbo on Jul 14, 2005 21:10:21 GMT -5
Congrats on the thesis defense. Remember my dissertation defense. Things can go wrong in them.
Over in summer league just expressed the thought that Green isn't going to be a factor this year. Comparison to Perk is probably pretty accurate. Also mentioned that I think AJ as a low-post guy can get by on instinct moreso than Green could on the perimeter.
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Post by Celtic17 on Jul 14, 2005 21:15:35 GMT -5
I think Green can play the 2.
BTW-
Great to have you back Sprash! ! ! We started hearing crickets, without you here.
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Post by Roadrunner on Jul 14, 2005 23:31:57 GMT -5
I agree that AJ had the NBA body prior to the NBA. Not sure about Green. The glut at the SG doesn't help either. Gomes is solid, very solid. If not for his height, a sure fire first round pick.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jul 15, 2005 1:23:29 GMT -5
Hey, a Sprash sighting in the middle of the summer. Good to see you.
Just to make a quick comment, Jefferson was not ready physically coming out of high school. This was the same guy who could not bench press 185 lbs more than twice (in comparison, JR Bremer did it like 15 times). For a 280 lb'er (at the time), not being able to bench 100 lbs less than his weight really shows how weak he was in the arms and chest. And you could tell looking at the size of his arms that he has little bulk in his pythons. And he even admits that he wasn't fit to play a lot of minutes last year. He'd get winded during games.
But the reason why he got to play was because he showed evident skills and a lot of improvement from the time the season started til the time the playoffs rolled around.
Gerald Green is not expected to play 15 mpg this year. But I do think he'll get to play early on, and even more as the season goes on because Doc see's how valuable it is to get young players some developmental time on the court. Green has the most athleticism on the team and his dribbling is solid for a guy his age and his size. And his shooting from the perimeter looks pretty solid (form wise). I say he'll get somewhere between 5 - 10 minutes this year, with it possibly being bumped up to about 12 - 15 as the season goes on.
And I do think that Pierce is probably the most possible guy to get traded once Green develops (which may not happen for a couple of years). For one, Pierce has the most value of the wing players we have on our team. And for another reason, he makes the most money. Green has star potential, and though he may not force out Pierce this year, his eventual breakout will make Ainge think long and hard of whether he'll re-sign Pierce to a new contract in 3 years.
I agree with you that a team needs chemistry. Player continuity and familiarity allows teams to have a good feel for each other. And the way its shaping out, it seems like the youth movement will be the one that exemplifies continuity. All the young guys are getting extensive playing time with one another, and they have been a very close bunch, often practicing and hanging out with each other. Ainge is moving the older players very quickly, and now, the only ones remaining are Raef and Blount. 9 players have been drafted by Ainge in the past 3 drafts (10, if you count the departed Brandon Hunter), and all 9 guys appear to have a shot at fulfilling a niche on the team (we have to wait and see what Orien Greene has to offer). I can see a good portion of these 9 young guys being a part of the future team, and that will develop continuity and familiarity because they have been developing a close relationship with one another since the start of their careers.
The reason why I specifically am thinking that Banks' spot on the team is in jepardy is because Delonte appears to be the favorite of Ainge and Rivers, and they seem high on Orien Greene. If Ainge is not high on Greene, he would not have urged him to go ahead and get the surgery on his left foot. Second rounders are not given guaranteed contracts, so there's no obligation to keep him if he doesn't look like he'll be a guy who possibly becomes a contributor for us. So Ainge could have just given Greene an opportunity in summer league to display his game, and judge from there whether to keep him or not. But because he had Greene get the surgery, it tells me that he already feels good about this pick and see's there's a possible future for Greene with the Celtics. Banks is a solid defender and his scoring ability shows real promise (if he can get consistency on his jumpers and finish more lay ups after blowing by his man). He could be a key scorer off the bench for us. But its going to be hard to train 3 young guys the art of the PG game. One of them probably has to go (especially since Ainge is insisting that he's going to bring in a vet PG), and the odds look like its Banks.
Ok, let me continue reading the rest of this thread and the comments the others have made.
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Post by VI_CelticsFan on Jul 15, 2005 5:14:16 GMT -5
Good to see you sprash. We've missed ya!
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Post by meltinjohn on Jul 16, 2005 23:53:42 GMT -5
Johnny- Under the new CBA there is no "IR", like we are use to. All team will have 14 players active, on the bench, for each game. We will have the option to send 1st & 2nd year players (I believe) to the NBDL. If I read it right the guys sent to the NBDL can be moved back-and-forth to the NBA team, if injuries occur. Don't mark my words but I think this is true. Yea I forgot about that kinda. A good thing is it gives more pt opportunities by getting rid of the IR. Does this list include Perkins also who they can send to the NBDL? I think he needs to go there myself. |
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Post by Celtic17 on Jul 17, 2005 14:10:54 GMT -5
Yea I forgot about that kinda. A good thing is it gives more pt opportunities by getting rid of the IR. Does this list include Perkins also who they can send to the NBDL? I think he needs to go there myself. Perk will be in his 3rd year. I think we can only sent 1st and 2nd year players to the NBDL. I disagree about Perk needing to be sent there. He needs as much time, as fouls allow, against NBA bigs. I doubt he would gain much from the NBDL. I wouldn't read too much into his or Big Al's Vegas showings. IMO |
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Post by meltinjohn on Jul 17, 2005 23:16:50 GMT -5
I haven't even been keeping track of their vegas showings. Big Al I saw on a box score not scoring as high as he could have. Ok, Perkins is back then and not a 1-2 yr player off to the NBDL. He'll probably play more. Greene will definitely be gone to the NBDL though.
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Post by ferbo on Jul 18, 2005 15:51:36 GMT -5
Green (PG) is the only draft choice who might wind up NBDL. The others will all fit in the 14---jsut instead of the IL.
Based on how Perk and AJ played in Vegas, you wouldn't project much PT forthem. Based on what they did last year and what they're doing off-season, I think we all project them for some serious PT
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