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Post by DERRENMATTS on Oct 9, 2016 3:12:40 GMT -5
If it comes down to Mickey, RJ or Young, this is going to be a tough call.
Up until training camp, it was easy for me to say James Young would be cut, but it's not that simple any longer. He looks like he has (finally) bought into the play-hard-every-single-second-you-are-playing mentality that is the characteristic of the team. He's playing with urgency.
RJ Hunter hasn't done particularly well this preseason, but he's more versatile than Young because he's a better ball handler and passer. But if that shot isn't falling, he's not as valuable.
Mickey showed why he's worthy of being in the big man rotation -- he was aggressive scoring the ball, on drives to the basket and long range jumpers. He's the type of stretch big men that we need. But he still hasn't shown much on the defensive end, which is supposed to be his bread and butter.
At this point, I'm not sure who I'd cut out of these 3.
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Post by oldtimeball on Oct 9, 2016 5:37:29 GMT -5
Darren, what are the options on each? if they don't make the team, do they become free agents? I think that has to factor in the decision.
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Post by jmost on Oct 9, 2016 6:52:12 GMT -5
I think Mickey solidified his spot yesterday. Hunter and Young I expect will be fighting for that last spot right to the end of camp. I like Hunter a little more, but I like guys who can pass and that's one of the areas in which he's strong. The Celtics could easily see things differently. Tough decision.
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Post by Roadrunner on Oct 9, 2016 7:07:39 GMT -5
Darren, what are the options on each? if they don't make the team, do they become free agents? I think that has to factor in the decision. Each has a guaranteed contract, hence if they are cut then BOS still has to honor the contract, and it counts on the cap. |
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Post by oldtimeball on Oct 9, 2016 7:11:56 GMT -5
Darren, what are the options on each? if they don't make the team, do they become free agents? I think that has to factor in the decision. Each has a guaranteed contract, hence if they are cut then BOS still has to honor the contract, and it counts on the cap. [b OK. But do they become free agents? If so which one would be hardest to lose? |
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Post by Roadrunner on Oct 9, 2016 7:16:36 GMT -5
Each has a guaranteed contract, hence if they are cut then BOS still has to honor the contract, and it counts on the cap. [b OK. But do they become free agents? If so which one would be hardest to lose? Yes, any player cut with a guaranteed contract would be a free agent. Young, and Hunter have the same skill sets. Mickey is different. |
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Post by eja117 on Oct 9, 2016 8:02:58 GMT -5
If it comes down to Mickey, RJ or Young, this is going to be a tough call. Up until training camp, it was easy for me to say James Young would be cut, but it's not that simple any longer. He looks like he has (finally) bought into the play-hard-every-single-second-you-are-playing mentality that is the characteristic of the team. He's playing with urgency. RJ Hunter hasn't done particularly well this preseason, but he's more versatile than Young because he's a better ball handler and passer. But if that shot isn't falling, he's not as valuable. Mickey showed why he's worthy of being in the big man rotation -- he was aggressive scoring the ball, on drives to the basket and long range jumpers. He's the type of stretch big men that we need. But he still hasn't shown much on the defensive end, which is supposed to be his bread and butter. At this point, I'm not sure who I'd cut out of these 3. In terms of who I'm most concerned about playing against us some day it's actually James Young. He was an elite college guy and if he's a late bloomer and we cut him another team could get a guy at just the right time cheap and it could cause us some difficulty later. I'm not as concerned with our team going against these other guys. He's also a little bit of insurance in case something happens and Jaylen doesn't work out. |
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Post by FLCeltsFan on Oct 9, 2016 10:05:39 GMT -5
I think Mickey has shown enough to catch the 14th spot. He's also a big, and we could use another big in the rotation. As for RJ and Young, I just don't know. They both show flashes at times and they both look lost at times. RJ seems to have more skills across the board while Young is more aggressive and I think could end up being the better player. I just don't know. Glad I don't have to make that decision.
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Post by eja117 on Oct 9, 2016 10:20:20 GMT -5
FL is right that you have to think about what would happen if the guy in front of him went down. Depth definitely matters. I feel like if a major guard went down (like Avery) there are immediate good options to step up and into that and don't feel like we would need RJ so bad.
I don't feel at all that way at sf or pf. I feel like Jerebko could give you quality but only so much. I think if Crowder or Amir or even KO went down that could be a big problem, and maybe even if Jaylen went down it could badly affect the 2nd unit.
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Post by jmost on Oct 9, 2016 11:01:14 GMT -5
There's also the possibility that, rather than just cut a guy, Ainge tries to trade him. Obviously you're not going to get much, but something is better than nothing.
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Post by oldtimeball on Oct 10, 2016 2:27:46 GMT -5
Hunter looked ok in the last game. I guess what I don't get is giving Jackson that guaranteed contract as a second round pick. Especially when you have smart.. Unless Ainge is waiting on a trade.
Bigs take awhile to develop. I have to go with mickey if he has no more options.. We need depth at the forwards.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Oct 10, 2016 11:56:00 GMT -5
There's also the possibility that, rather than just cut a guy, Ainge tries to trade him. Obviously you're not going to get much, but something is better than nothing. I'm wondering too if we're going to see Ainge pull off a trade. |
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Post by eja117 on Oct 10, 2016 20:41:56 GMT -5
Part of my understanding about giving guys like Bentil and Jackson some money is that we have a ton of 2nd rounders and you want them to come in and work out for you during the draft process. They have friends. You don't want to be seen as cheap. It makes guys more willing to talk about being stashed like Abdel Nader and is just a good idea. 70K might not mean tons to the Celts but it could matter a lot to one of these kids
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Post by oldtimeball on Oct 11, 2016 4:14:24 GMT -5
Part of my understanding about giving guys like Bentil and Jackson some money is that we have a ton of 2nd rounders and you want them to come in and work out for you during the draft process. They have friends. You don't want to be seen as cheap. It makes guys more willing to talk about being stashed like Abdel Nader and is just a good idea. 70K might not mean tons to the Celts but it could matter a lot to one of these kids Thanks eja. All I had heard was how uncommon it was for a player in the 2nd round to be given a guaranteed deal. |
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Post by eja117 on Oct 11, 2016 7:56:21 GMT -5
It's happening more actually as teams start to see there is first round talent in the 2nd round. It gives you the advantage of having their rights longer. Like Jordan Mickey basically designed a first round contract. He made more money and they kept him longer. Because otherwise you lose them in like 2 years or you have to give them a huge raise, but a 2nd rounder likes a little security when they are first entering the league.
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