Rank your players at 6

[cfoo]

I'm still not in love with this draft. A lot of these guys are still so young and overhyped imo. None of these guys are going to be winning us a championship any time in the near future or ever potentially. Ainge has made the comment that there are a couple allstars in this draft and a few guys that are starters. I think parker has potential to be an allstar. Most of these guys are not necessarily better than what we have already though. They are very young and if i'm ainge i'm not sure I want to wait 5 years for a potential starter.

[freshnthehouse]

May 28, 2014 14:00:19 GMT -5 cfoo said:

Ainge has made the comment that there are a couple allstars in this draft and a few guys that are starters.

I definitely disagree with that. This draft doesn't have the once-in-a-generation type players like Durant and LeBron, but it has crazy depth. I guarantee at least 7-10 of the guys in this draft are starters on playoff-caliber teams in the future.

[cfoo]

The issue to me is if we draft a guy like Randle. Expecting him to go up against the lebrons and durants of the world is not overly realistic. He's probably safer and farther along than a guy like Vonleh though. That guy could take a while. Even marcus smart. I just don't see it for a while. Rondo is a much more experienced player. I'm not in love with love but the celtics are in a weird spot that way. There aren't anymore KG's or Pierce's either in this draft or in the league. I dont know if these guys are getting worse. Probably just as talented physically but it's like comparing pierce to bird. I think those are once in a lifetime players in ways. I don't see the same maturity level with these young guys or players in the league for that matter. Love is mid twenties. I'm not that fond of that generation of players though. It's like lebron to me. That entire generation is overly coddled imo. When you have lance stephenson coddling lebron games that's an issue.

Pierce and KG were not afraid to stick it to lebron. Some of these younger players are meh to me. I question their competitive fire. WE've seen that with Jeff Green as well. I don't see paul pierce in this draft even. Rondo is the closest guy we have to that.

[cfoo]

I'd still build from within. If we end up drafting it's more about just getting a player who can help us in other ways. Most drafts there is usually a guy where i'm like this guy is a celtic. I don't feel that way about this draft overly. Or anyone in the league overly. Love somewhat yes. Jabari Parker. Outside of that we are just adding pieces. I agree with Ainge that way where this isn't a franchise changing draft . There isn't that player out there.

This isn't teh draft that it was hyped to be. Losing 50 games to do this over again isn't what i want either because next years draft is no different.

[cfoo]

Reason i would like the randle pick is because it's a safe pick. There is actually some bust potential in this draft as well. I think randle is one of the safer players. He should be a solid nba player. He might be more like pierce than anyone because he's not known for his defense but he does have a natural ability to score amidst contact around the rim. That should lead to him being a solid pro. He has the right mindset when it comes to scoring around the rim.

[derrenattheoffice]

My top 3 comes down to Randle, Gordon, and Saric, and at this moment, it would be in this order (I may change my order again many times more before the draft).

Vonleh is just outside of these three because to me he doesn't have any high level skill that I can confidentally say will transfer to the NBA. I think Randle's scoring will translate. Gordon's defense will translate. Saric's ball handling at 6'10" will translate.

Vonleh's post defense may translate, but I'm not so sure. His rebounding might, but I like Randle's rebounding potential more than Vonleh's.

[cfoo]

Vonleh is more potential. He could potentially be a great rebounder and defender. But it's all potential. He actually has more upside than randle in that regard. Randle is a more natural scorer and is a solid rebounder.

I think Vonleh has more upisde than randle as a defender and rebounder just because of his build and i think he has those quick whatever to get rebounds. He has that reaction ability to him where he can be a very good rebounder.

Randle is more like a millsap to me where he has that low center of gravity and aggressiveness to carve out space. Vonleh more has quick reactions with his arms and length.

Randle is a bull in the paint. Vonleh is more like bill russell or chris bosh. I hate comparing him to russell because he isn't bill russell or even KG. He's more like bosh.

[cfoo]

KG was a poor man's bill russell. Bosh is a poor man's KG. Vonleh is a poor man's bosh. Players are getting worse not better. Vonleh is a twig right now and clueless defensively at times. He's going to take a while. Poor man's Jermaine O'neal or Bosh. He could surprise me and be better than that but I don't know.

[derrenattheoffice]

Rebounding percentage is even for both Randle and Vonleh, but I give the edge to Randle because he's quicker and more aggressive to the ball.

Randle has potential to be an impact scorer and a double digit rebounder, but maybe just an average defender.

Vonleh has potential to be a solid post defender, double digit rebounder, but an average scorer.

[cfoo]

I like vonleh because of his length. In the footage i've seen his arms are always up as well. His head is on a swivel too although he isn't always alert. He's like fab that way where head on a swivel but dumb as a stump sometimes and completely loses focus and gives up on plays at times. Randle does the same things defensively at times although i like vonleh's aggression defensively better. both players can look like they don't care defensively although Vonleh shows that upper echelon mindset at times. Marcus Smart also shows that extra gear defensively from a mindset standpoint but even he is inconsistant. Probably the most complete defender this draft though not named Embiid is Gordon or Smart. Then Vonleh is that wildcard. Wiggins is up there too.

[cfoo]

Parker and Randle are similar defensively to me. They are like pierce. Could be good if they work on it. Could be amare stoudemire and not care. Saric plays smart defense but isn't known for his defense either.

[cfoo]

Parker and Randle are like pierce defensively to me. They could be good if they work at it. They could be amare stoudemire. Players not known for their defense but can play it. SAric to me is another guy who is not known for his defense but already players smart and consistant defense. Saric is a quality all round player already and nba ready imo.

[cfoo]

Parker and Randle are like pierce defensively to me. They could be good if they work at it. They could be amare stoudemire. Players not known for their defense but can play it. SAric to me is another guy who is not known for his defense but already players smart and consistant defense. Saric is a quality all round player already and nba ready imo.

[cfoo]

i'm posting stuff and it's not showing up so if there is the same message 3 times that's why. I have to go though and can't delete the repeat posts.

[freshnthehouse]

There is definitely more defensive potential than offensive potential in this draft.