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Post by nateval on Feb 16, 2014 15:06:18 GMT -5
I got to catch the Wisconsin game against Michigan today. I was curious to see what Frank Kaminsky was all about, earlier in the season he had a game where he scored a school record 43 points.
Kaminsky really impressed! He moves very well for a 7'0" footer, he has good footwork. The knock on him I heard was he played a little to much around the perimeter but today's game this was not the case. Kaminsky scored in a variety of ways, his back to the basket, putting the ball on the floor and getting to the hoop, he even had a big step back 3 pointer. Has anyone seen much of the guy? He's a junior Center who can really stretch the floor, I don't see him in any mocks. I'm going to have to watch this kid more closely he really impressed me today!
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Post by cfoo on Feb 16, 2014 16:01:57 GMT -5
I don't know anything about him but I like his name. Just your desciption sounds interesting. I like player slike this. I'll have to check him out and get back to you. Is he polish? Some of these players don't have teh quickness in the nba or toughness.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Feb 16, 2014 19:18:22 GMT -5
I'm not sure I got the right game in mind, but I seem to remember the Indiana game I saw was against Wisconsin, and Noah Vonleh defended Kaminski very well in the post. That game was we're Vonleh gained a brownie point from me because I had heard Kaminski was an offensive Center, and Vonleh positioned himself well against him.
If this is the guy I'm thinking of, Kaminski is not a guy I'm high on. He has size, strength, and height over Vonleh but was neutralized in the post.
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Post by nateval on Mar 29, 2014 23:25:54 GMT -5
Wisconsin won tonight advancing to the final 4. Kaminski has been a big part of their success this season. He's had some stinkers but he has had some big games. Kaminski seems to have skill somewhere between KO and Dirk. Kaminski seems like a similar shooting 7 footer. Kaminski may play defense a little tougher and drive to the hoop a little better then KO post up a little more. Both good passers. Kaminski is a guy that will not be high on mock drafts if and when he decides to enter the NBA. Kaminski will be a great second round pick which goes back to the point of why second round picks are so valuable. Kaminski is a guy that I would like to see the Celtics target. If we decide to move any players on draft day any "throw in" 2nd round picks will come in handy on this rebuilding Celtics team.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Mar 30, 2014 1:46:10 GMT -5
I saw Vonleh twice contain Kaminsky this season. I guess credit should be given to Vonleh because he proved to be a good post defender against Kaminsky.
But also in today's Elite 8 game vs Arizona, when the shorter, and more active Aaron Gordon was on him, Kaminsky wasn't as effective as he was against the taller, yet less effective defender Caleb Tarczewsky.
What this tells me is if he makes it in the NBA, Kaminsky will be an opportunistic scorer. In comparison, our own Kelly Olynyk shows more ability to create offense in iso situations because he's able to do a tad more off the dribble.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Mar 30, 2014 1:47:00 GMT -5
Yes, I agree that a second round pick will be good value for Kaminsky.
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Post by nateval on Mar 30, 2014 12:59:26 GMT -5
I disagree with you DM on your point you made in the other thread about Gordon. I didn't think Gordon played good defense on Kaminsky Arizona had no answer for him it didn't matter who was on him. I also wouldn't expect Gordon to play Kaminsky well on defense it not fair that's asking a little too much. Thought this quote was high praise coming for a coach who has played against some good players this season including Jabari Parker.
“Frank Kaminsky is the reason Wisconsin is in the Final Four,” Arizona coach Sean Miller said. “. . . He has to be one of the best offensive players in the college game.”
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Post by cfoo on Mar 30, 2014 13:24:51 GMT -5
I think Derren is right that KO is a better prospect. I think we need a more defensively geared center and low post presence. I haven't seen a ton of kaminsky and his name make me think he's a bull in the paint and a low post presence which would be good but everything I've read is he is more another versatile big man. We already have that in KO and KO is a better prospect.
he's crafty down low. He's good on the perimeter and in between. He sounds like a spencer hawes sort of player to me with maybe more of a low post game and more versatile but less of a defender. He could be good for us if he can protect the paint but I don't get that feeling. We need tall bigs for sure and he might be a good one. He's more versatile than Kauley Stein but I like Stein better right now because of the fit. Stein is more athletic and more of a rim protector. Embiid is the bull down low and defensive presence as well.
Kaminsky is more like KO and everything I've read makes me think KO is better because he is more an up tempo player and a great passer.
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Post by cfoo on Mar 30, 2014 13:30:17 GMT -5
I think as far as bigs and rim protectors we have KO and Sully and neither guy is athletic and are slow on their feet defensively. We need athleticism down low to fill those gaps. Gordon, Stein, Embiid I'm looking at you.
If we trade KO for Kevin Love. Drafting Kaminsky would then make some sense. But even still we woul dbe pretty weak defensively. We'd be ridiculous offensively though so it wouldn't matter. not sure if it would fit.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Mar 30, 2014 18:45:55 GMT -5
I disagree with you DM on your point you made in the other thread about Gordon. I didn't think Gordon played good defense on Kaminsky Arizona had no answer for him it didn't matter who was on him. I also wouldn't expect Gordon to play Kaminsky well on defense it not fair that's asking a little too much. Thought this quote was high praise coming for a coach who has played against some good players this season including Jabari Parker. “Frank Kaminsky is the reason Wisconsin is in the Final Four,” Arizona coach Sean Miller said. “. . . He has to be one of the best offensive players in the college game.” Sean Miller made the mistake of not making adjustments sooner. But when he did finally put Gordon on Kaminsky, Gordon actively denied the ball from getting to Kaminsky. There weren't a whole lot of possessions that Gordon had on Kaminsky, but he was effective when he was on him. |
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Post by jrmzt on Apr 5, 2014 21:52:17 GMT -5
Yeah no. I just watched this guy get neutralized by Kentucky. He could barely handle competent big men. He wont survive the NBA.
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Post by nateval on Apr 6, 2014 14:48:39 GMT -5
Yeah no. I just watched this guy get neutralized by Kentucky. He could barely handle competent big men. He wont survive the NBA. Kaminsky had a bad game last night. Give Kaminsky credit Kentucky double teamed him every time he got the ball down low. Kaminsky can score a variety of ways IMO he's going to be a scoring 7 footer coming off the bench in the NBA. When talking about Kaminsky where talking a 2nd round pick if and when he comes out. We bought a second round pick last year to select Colton Iverson. I think a few guys in this draft may fall through the cracks. I would like to see the Celtics acquire some second round picks. |
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Post by nateval on Nov 20, 2014 7:46:41 GMT -5
I got to catch the Wisconsin game last night. They are loaded with talent. Kaminsky didn't disappoint
8-13 fg 4-6 ft 0-3 3pt 15 rebounds 2 assists 7 blocks and 20 points
Kaminsky looks like he got stronger too. He's a really good offensive player he can score multiple ways.
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Post by doctorrain on Nov 28, 2014 20:27:20 GMT -5
www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gr9AU3vJn0I saw this and another video with him shooting outside shots mostly for highlights. It left an impression on me. They say first impressions count. Well most of those highlights illustrated to me that he shoots a lot from the outside.. Maybe a bit too much. He plays inside but no way in hell can he, Sully and Kelly be together. He might be able to dunk inside and play inside but so can Sully also. Sully also has somewhat a back to the basket game. My final analysis, Cauley Stein or Towns is more needed or this will create a logjam of non defensive bigs and that's not whats needed. Maybe pick him if you plan to trade Sully maybe but I don't want this draft to be about picking an existing need to trade someone already here. My goal would be to draft something you need. Danny has drafted the best available many times and we have too many guards and shooting bigs because of it. Those seem to be most of what Danny finds in the draft but it has to change for 2015 and Danny has to go a route he rarely goes.
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Post by nateval on Dec 8, 2014 9:44:30 GMT -5
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