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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jul 16, 2005 20:51:15 GMT -5
Big Al got about 15 minutes last year. Early in the season, he should get about 20 minutes (roughly 4 minutes a quarter) and he'll get more minutes beyond that as he shows he's ready to get more. I was hoping he could be the starting PF, and it could still happen, with Scalabrine backing him up as soon as Jefferson gets into foul trouble or if we are getting killed down low.
Ideally, we'd have a stop gap PF who can play ahead of Jefferson for the time being, until Jefferson is ready. Walker is nowhere near my top choice for this task--but we'll see how Ainge plays it out.
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Post by Celtic17 on Jul 16, 2005 22:22:00 GMT -5
Reed or Gomes might play the 4 (small team) w/ Al playing the 5.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jul 16, 2005 23:43:02 GMT -5
Yes, I believe both Gomes and Reed have played well enough to be considered for minutes on the court. Reed has a year under his belt and has really showed his versatility in Vegas. His shooting and ball handling could be used as a weapon off the bench. Gomes is the better offensive player (or more natural) and he adds more scoring punch to an already formidabble second unit.
Blount is going to find it hard keeping his minutes with Perkins, Scalabrine, Gomes, and Reed pushing Rivers to give them time on the court. If Blount hasn't improved his game over the summer, he'll be very unhappy sitting on the bench. Scalabrine could take some minutes at C, and Perkins is going to receive more minutes than last year, according to Rivers.
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Post by meltinjohn on Jul 17, 2005 0:19:19 GMT -5
Speaking of Blount, In each celtic team, there has to be some stiffs for centers. Its like the team tradition.
Ours for big men are Raef,Blonut and Scalabrine. Swift possibly if a trade is done. Mihm when he was here also. Danny seems to like those guys as well. The white ones mainly.
I remember so many long ago. Greg Kite, Joe Kleine, Acie Earl, Eric Montross, Travis Knight, Sundov and a few more.
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Post by eja117 on Jul 18, 2005 12:48:38 GMT -5
The only good things about swift is that he's 19 and doesn't make a lot of money. other than that I'm in shock people still actually talk about him. he's insignificant. He's less than a poor man's Troy Murphy right now. he's like a welfare recipient's Travis Knight.
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Post by cfoo on Jul 18, 2005 13:43:33 GMT -5
What do you expect to get for Banks? Shaq? If the C's are to trade Banks Id like to get a young player on a rookie contract and Swift would fit that type of player.
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Post by eja117 on Jul 18, 2005 14:27:28 GMT -5
banks contributed more to the Cs in his first year than Swift did. Banks improved in his 2nd year, and may improve in his 3rd. He doesn't get that many DNP-CDs and doesn't have the deer in headlights look. He also has one huge talent (which is more than Swift) in that he may be the fastest player in the league and can play some D. He's more valuable right now than Swift. I'd rather get a draft pick or just wait out Banks' contract and see if he gets good, similar to how it took C Billups a while to get good. If he doesn't he can probably be resigned for not a lot of money and we can always trade him for an unproven player who doesn't seem to have much potential later.
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Post by cfoo on Jul 18, 2005 14:31:18 GMT -5
That's all well and good. I'm not opposed to keeping Banks, I'm just saying if we are to trade him Swift would make some sense. And everything you posted can be attributed to Banks playing in college. Saying Banks is this worldly talent and Swift has none is way off... Both were drafted around the same position and both guys have untapped potential.
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Post by BCHISTORIAN on Jul 19, 2005 0:54:51 GMT -5
minnesota summer league reports don't have anything good to say about robert swift. ridnour is the only sonic i'm interested in. and he's pretty much untouchable
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Post by meltinjohn on Jul 19, 2005 13:52:50 GMT -5
I do agree with whoever said Swift is a welfare recipients Travis Knight. His numbers were horrendous last year. I don't see them being much better this year either. This is really a tough call. Swift and a 2nd rounder for Banks would at least sound more accurate. This too would be another example of Danny adding 1 more less than mediocre player to this team through trades.
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Post by eja117 on Jul 19, 2005 14:03:04 GMT -5
I definitely wouldn't say Banks is a worldly talent and I wouldn't completely give up on Swift but if someone told me one the players would be a very good NBA player some day I'd actually think it would be Banks although I wouldn't be shocked about it being Swift. I also admit Swift has height and you can't teach that, however I don't think you can attribute everything I said about Banks to college. Either you suck or you don't and college won't change that and college didn't make Banks faster than Speedy Gonzalez, Flash, and Might Mouse combined. I also don't feel like waiting the entire length of a college career to see if Swift will be good. If you come to the league you should be good yesterday. Or at least show flashes now. I was trying to think if there has ever been a player who got no playing time his first year and then became a good player and I am having a really hard time with this. I am thinking Jermaine O'Neal, C Billups, and JJohnson, but they all showed flashes or made contributions. Also it's not like Swift was behind some great frontcourt players. Who were they? C Booth, J James, n Collinson, and Fortson? Is that who. J O'neal was behind good players and so is Darko now.
If I were to trade banks I'd either want a player who looks like they still have potential or showed something instead of a player who showed nothing. There were a lot of players this year predicted as 1rst rounders that slid to the 2nd round like Martynas, Taft, and Blatche. We could trade a guard for a guard and maybe get Jack, or Monta Ellis. Some of these guys we might even get a draft pick in return if Banks looks like a better prospect than Taft for example. There are also a lot of rookies from last year that showed something. How about Banks, a 1rst, 2nd, and J Reed for S Livingston? What about Banks for Jameer Nelson and a 2nd rounder? I just think we can better than Swift.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jul 20, 2005 4:10:39 GMT -5
As always, very solid points, Eja.
If Ainge settles for a player less than Banks' potential, its only because he feels that with Delonte and Orien Greene, he can afford to lose Banks without getting a same return in investment. At this time, we don't have any legitimate big man who can take minutes at Center and produce. Robert Swift is not quick, but he is somewhat nimble around the basket, he's a 7 footer, he's got basketball sense (feel), and some scoring ability. These types of qualities are enticing to Ainge. I can see Ainge moving Banks for a Center like this.
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Post by meltinjohn on Jul 20, 2005 13:56:31 GMT -5
I can see him moving Banks for Swift but probably not straight up. He would probably want Collison also.
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Post by BCHISTORIAN on Jul 21, 2005 1:26:54 GMT -5
personally i think that the most realistic trade partner would be memphis. they want to trade williams and wright is unhappy. they fit our needs. whether we want them or not is another question. memphis wants to cut down the payroll and was one of the teams that was interested in blount last year. some under the cap team has to be involved as well
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Post by meltinjohn on Jul 22, 2005 21:51:23 GMT -5
Wright is a good player also. He can mentor Perkins. And funny, I see Perkins game like Lorenzens if Perkins gets good.
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