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Post by eja117 on Nov 19, 2009 15:24:40 GMT -5
I respond with this. None of these runs are flashy, despite the flashy RB not existing before Barry
I am 100% certain that at the 1:54 mark Emmit was on the sideline and said "I wish I could do that"
Watch him drag a Db like 8 yards. Keep in mind he said he didn't like contact or being hit. There's like not one run like that. At the 3:02 mark it looks like he gets hit hard enough to die and then keeps running like he doesn't even realize he was hit. Obviously much faster than Emmit. Smaller than Emmit, but has no problem running thru mazes of huge guys
all the power of Emmit. More speed than Emmit. Ability to break tackles Emmit never had or ever thought of
Speaking of rubbing it in, why are we even talking about Barry vs Emmit? That's like Brady vs Boomer or something
Jim Brown. Walter Payton. Ok. I get it. But Emmitt? Barry has gotten into the next level of Jim Brown. A thousand years from now his name will pop up as a possible best RB ever. Emmitt won't make it another 20 years
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Post by eja117 on Nov 19, 2009 15:43:10 GMT -5
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Post by eja117 on Nov 19, 2009 16:00:24 GMT -5
Who's eyes are lying though? If barry was so good why was he always shut down in the playoffs and why did he lead the league in lost yardage? Where was he in those big games? You say players are great because they seem to come up big at the right times. Where was barry come playoff time? Look at barry and emmitts head to head stats. liar pants are on fire. because a player can do superhuman things doesnt mean he is the better football player. I used to play with guys in basketball who were freaks of nature and could hit shots from nomans land. They also sucked to play with and were ballhogs. Thing is those guys are out of basketball now. Their teams kept losing and they kept blaming everyone else but themselves and finally quit. I'm still playing basketball at the age of 36 and have gotten better and better. I'm looking at the wins and numbers and the player and watched these guys a lot. Emmitt was a complete football player and workhorse and got the yards when needed. He always seemed to break a tackle or put his head down and plow forward at the right time or make that critical block or whatever. who's eyes are deceiving them? liar pants are on fire. People in denial also always use the well if barry had emmit's line argument. Do people realize the same line was there the year before emmitt got there and they were the worst rushing team in the league, had 0 pro bowlers..... Troy Aikman got sacked his rookie year and was out with a concussion because the line was so bad. IT was the same line. I watched it. Emmitt came into the game his first game and suddenly things started changing. They started winning. They started running the ball. They went from an 1-15 team to winning 4 f their last 6 games when emmitt was inserted into the starting lineup, and finishing 7-9 and just missed the playoffs. Emmitt held out one year and they started off 0-2, only to go on to win the superbowl. People always say anyone and their grandma could run behind that line, but can you name one backup that ever had any success? The cowboys couldn't run the ball when Emmitt wasn't in there. Emmitt Smith was that good. He basically has every rushing stat, superbowl, playoffs and regular season, for a reason. Good questions. So to answer them directly. First Barry hardly played in the playoffs. Although when he played Emmitt head to head the Lions beat them 38-6 in the Lions only playoff win since 1957. Where was Emmitt in that game? In the playoffs I assume they stacked the box against Barry as he was their only weapon. Emmitt never had to worry about that even one time as a Cowboy. Barry vs Emmitt head to head stats? Ok. Barry rushed for over 5 yards per carry 5 times, one of which was over 6 yards per carry. Emmitt did it once. Sanders lost 952 yards on 336 carries by his 9th season which means that 14% of his carries were for losses. The fact that Sanders overcame the amount of lost yardage and managed to still collect more than 19% of Emmitt Smith's total yards per carry is completely staggering and absolutely breathtaking. You speak about being a complete player but Barry's receiving stats are significantly better. Like 6 yards per catch to 8. So who are the great backups that did so well behind Barry? Barry was basically always on the worst team. Best guy on the worst team. Even in college he was way better than everyone always always playing against better teams. Barry's best teammate ever was Thruman Thomas at Oklahoma St. Quarterbacks are judged by wins. They are the generals. RBs and WRs and TEs are judged by yards and yards per carry and catch. They're the soldiers. Linemen are like the tanks. They get judged by how well they protect. |
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Post by cfoo on Nov 19, 2009 16:41:54 GMT -5
Quarterbacks are judged by wins. They are the generals. RBs and WRs and TEs are judged by yards and yards per carry and catch. They're the soldiers. Linemen are like the tanks. They get judged by how well they protect. Well by that argument Emmitt has more yards, tds regular season, playoffs, superbowl. So what is your point? Emmitt knew this. I always thought walter payton was the best until Emmitt came along. Guys like Barry, Dorsett, Jim Brown great rbs not taking anything away from them but i rank them as so. I also watched these guys and I always thought Walter was the best from watching him on the field until Emmitt came along, and the numbers just cement it. |
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Post by cfoo on Nov 19, 2009 16:45:39 GMT -5
I respond with this. None of these runs are flashy, despite the flashy RB not existing before Barry I am 100% certain that at the 1:54 mark Emmit was on the sideline and said "I wish I could do that" Watch him drag a Db like 8 yards. Keep in mind he said he didn't like contact or being hit. There's like not one run like that. At the 3:02 mark it looks like he gets hit hard enough to die and then keeps running like he doesn't even realize he was hit. Obviously much faster than Emmit. Smaller than Emmit, but has no problem running thru mazes of huge guys all the power of Emmit. More speed than Emmit. Ability to break tackles Emmit never had or ever thought of Speaking of rubbing it in, why are we even talking about Barry vs Emmit? That's like Brady vs Boomer or something Jim Brown. Walter Payton. Ok. I get it. But Emmitt? Barry has gotten into the next level of Jim Brown. A thousand years from now his name will pop up as a possible best RB ever. Emmitt won't make it another 20 years Emmitt has the most yards, rushing tds, etc, etc in the regular season, in the playoffs and in the superbowl. He has the most superbowl rings. See this is the problem is your logic is retarded lol. You said yourself what defines a rb. I assume you think Jerry Rice is the best receiver right? The thing is I'm not a hypocrit. The truth is out there...... Who's the liar? Are your eyes deceiving you? The truth is like stone with me. |
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Post by eja117 on Nov 19, 2009 16:49:40 GMT -5
I respond with this. None of these runs are flashy, despite the flashy RB not existing before Barry I am 100% certain that at the 1:54 mark Emmit was on the sideline and said "I wish I could do that" Watch him drag a Db like 8 yards. Keep in mind he said he didn't like contact or being hit. There's like not one run like that. At the 3:02 mark it looks like he gets hit hard enough to die and then keeps running like he doesn't even realize he was hit. Obviously much faster than Emmit. Smaller than Emmit, but has no problem running thru mazes of huge guys all the power of Emmit. More speed than Emmit. Ability to break tackles Emmit never had or ever thought of Speaking of rubbing it in, why are we even talking about Barry vs Emmit? That's like Brady vs Boomer or something Jim Brown. Walter Payton. Ok. I get it. But Emmitt? Barry has gotten into the next level of Jim Brown. A thousand years from now his name will pop up as a possible best RB ever. Emmitt won't make it another 20 years Emmitt has the most yards, rushing tds, etc, etc in the regular season, in the playoffs and in the superbowl. He has the most superbowl rings. See this is the problem is your logic is retarded lol. You said yourself what defines a rb. I assume you think Jerry Rice is the best receiver right? The thing is I'm not a hypocrit. The truth is out there...... Who's the liar? Are your eyes deceiving you? The truth is like stone with me. Well yeah. But you are aware Barry retired early, right? And Jim Brown for that matter. What do you think would have happened if Barry had played till he was 35 like Emmitt? |
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Post by cfoo on Nov 19, 2009 16:54:58 GMT -5
yes he did. hence my argument. you cant be the best if you retire early. Most people who really followed Emmitt's career know there was a lot more to him than just eye popping runs. I say he was the smartest rb ever because he was. He understood what makes a great rb. The thing is he knew what it took to be the best because he was the best. He came into the league and did everything he set out to do. I remember i bet a friend of mine who was silly and said no way Emmitt will ever end up with more yardage that Barry in his career. I bet him $500 emmitt's rookie year. I won that bet. There was a lot more to Emmitt than you think. He grew up Idolizing walter payton and wanted to play in the rose bowl his first superbowl and show the world what he was made of. He also set out to be the alltime leading rusher. It's one thing to say you are going to do it, but to say it and do it is the truth.
All the while Emmitt did this playing in the nfc east going against those great eagles and giants defenses. The redskins were no joke either defensively. He also had to get through those 49er teams. He ran over reggie white, lawrence taylor and ronnie lott to do it. I saw him run over Ronnie Lott and Reggie White, so that's not just hypothetical. He literally ran over ronnie lott. He ran past deion sanders. He is one player that is so underrated and still doesnt get his due to this day by so many silly people.
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Post by eja117 on Nov 19, 2009 17:06:07 GMT -5
So Barry was supposed to just keep playing for a team that wasn't dedicated to winning? That would show intelligence? Or was he supposed to prostitute himself out to the Cardinals when he sucked and play way past his prime just to get the record like Emmitt did?
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Post by cfoo on Nov 19, 2009 17:13:16 GMT -5
I'm not saying Barry wasn't smart. He's one of the best rb's ever. he's in my top 5. I'd probably put him 3rd after Emmitt and Payton. With Jim Brown and Dorsett and guys like Bo Jackson, Campbell, OJ, Gale Sayers, Dickerson, LT right there. Adrian Peterson will be there too someday.
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Post by cfoo on Nov 19, 2009 17:30:41 GMT -5
1. Emmitt
2. Payton
3. Barry
4. Brown
5. Dorsett
6. Bo Jackson
7. Campbell
8. OJ
9. Dickerson
10. LT
To explain
Walter and Emmitt are 1 and 2. They had both the numbers and the longevity and the superbowl ring to back it up. Emmitt edges out payton because he eclipsed him in every facet.
Barry and Brown are similar in nature as well. They are 3 and 4 respectively. Both played on bad teams but were physical beasts like no other. In their period they put up the numbers like noone else as well. But WAlter and Emmitt get the edge because of longevity and staying power and the proverbial winning.
Dorsett and Bo Jackson were both electric athletes. Dorsett edges Bo because of longevity. Both were similar players on the field in their time. GAme breaking speed. Noone could take it to the house in one gasp like these guys could. Bo was known for just hitting hte sideline and he was gone. He also blew out his hip because his body was so big, his hip basically fell apart because it couldnt handle that kind of speed. Dorsett 99 yards and a half. Dorsett eclipsed Bo.
After that you have 2 2000 yard rushers in Dickerson and OJ. Great rbs with personalities that didn't always mesh with the team. OJ's history speaks for itself. Dickerson was a smooth, smooth runner and natural runner but never seemed to put himself in that class of some of these other guys.
Guys like LT are in the same class as the aforementioned. I might even put Tomlinson ahead of OJ or Dickerson. Campbell was a beast as well. Neither could get over the hump and win a ring though.
Sayers is an enigma like Bo JAckson and just amazingly good for an even shorter period of time than Barry or Brown. HE and bo were like poor man's versions of the aforementioned. They didnt quite have the same athleticism or longevity but were great in their own right.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Nov 19, 2009 17:33:13 GMT -5
Interesting debate guys. You both are filling me wiht information that I either didn't know, or had forgotten.
I'll just add this--Emmit was able to accomplish a lot, but he also had help (O-line, QB, receivers, coaches). Barry accomplished a whole lot--and would have accomplished a whole lot more if he decided to keep on going--without much help at all.
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Post by cfoo on Nov 19, 2009 17:56:28 GMT -5
I could keep going on this all day but i won't. You guys don't have to agree but I do think what i'm saying is true. Have you noticed there is a trend to what i'm saying though derren about how a lot of what barry would do with his jukes was unncessary? Maybe there's a reason why great athletes dont always end up at the top. Sure they are great for a short period but maybe they are exhausting resources that they dont have to. That goes back to the whole Peyton Manning and Brady debate and making things look easy. You are quick to say Emmitt had all this help but the cowboys were a really bad team when he got there. Maybe Emmitt helped himself more than you think. That goes back to my whole point abotu great players that drive me nuts sometimes playing with them because they blame everyone but themselves. These guys dont even play the game anymore. Not trying to be an !!!GREENIAC!!!, but it's so obvious to me when i look at it and how some of these players play.
People can say if Barry had this or had that or played this long etc, etc. But the truth is he didn't. That's the point. Are you really telling me if Barry really wanted to go to a winner and play more years he couldnt? Maybe things always came easy to barry and when things got really tough he walked away. Who knows what happened. Where Emmitt was the type of guy who was always undersized but had to work for it. Who knows. But the reality is these trends do tend to follow certain players and whoh ultimately puts up those numbers.
Wilt Chamberlain was such a freak of nature and great athlete but Bill Russell somehow beat him time and time again. Because he was smart and so ridiculously competitive.
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Post by Roadrunner on Nov 19, 2009 23:15:36 GMT -5
On a topic that is relavent to the PATS, Charlie Weis is going to be fired by ND this year. Show your "3-ring flash" on the unemployment line, or buffett line.
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Post by freshnthehouse on Nov 20, 2009 5:18:59 GMT -5
On a topic that is relavent to the PATS, Charlie Weis is going to be fired by ND this year. Show your "3-ring flash" on the unemployment line, or buffett line. Charlie Weis always struck me as a nice guy. Too bad things didn't work out better for him. |
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Post by jrmzt on Dec 1, 2009 5:16:48 GMT -5
Wow I know I hated the pats and I really had mixed feelings about this game. I half wanted the Saints to lose so that their flaws were exposed, but I also wanted the pats to lose so that their chances of clinching home ground in the AFC were reduced. What I didnt expect was such a lopsided game. What the heck were the Pats defense doing...? And Brady with those 2 INTs....
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