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Post by cfoo on Feb 21, 2007 14:45:19 GMT -5
I know he's still young and it's early but I look at the player we drafted Foye, and I look at Telfair and who would you rather have? I see Foye potentially becoming another Billups. Not necessarily a true pg or the type of pg we were looking for, and maybe TElfair fits that mold more, but we have Rondo here, do we really even need Telfair? Plus Telfair kind of stinks right now. Is this Kenny Anderson, Billups all over again? I know it's different and Telfair is younger but the comparisons of Telfair to Kenny are kind of ironic. He's a NY pg, he bested Kenny's scoring mark and was the same hyped kind of player. Telfair could pan out, but I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up struggling through his career and becomes another overhyped player either. It's just weird because people compared Foye to Wade, when I think the player he's really going to end up like is Billups. Foye, Pierce, Jefferson could have been pretty sweet imo, and i tend to think Ainge gets too caught up in this phoenix suns way of thinking sometimes.
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Post by The Eye of the Q is upon you! on Feb 21, 2007 16:39:26 GMT -5
Let me ask you an honest question. He was accepted to Louisville which means Rick Pitino. Would he have survived the Rick Pitino regime?
Would he even be draft material this year or next?
I bet he is not 1st round worthy or possibly even 2nd round. In other words, he is a BUST.
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Post by freshnthehouse on Feb 21, 2007 16:41:06 GMT -5
THe one thing we have to remember is that Foye would not have been available if we hadnt traded our pick before the draft. Minny knew that Portland coveted Roy, so once we made the trade they took Roy so that they could force Portland's hand in a trade. If we wouldve kept our pick, Minny wouldve gobbled up Foye. But Roye wouldnt have been a bad consolation prize. But I gots a hunch that DA wouldve taken Rondo if we wouldve kept our pick.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Feb 21, 2007 19:56:09 GMT -5
Fresh is correct. It was already a done deal that we would not receive Foye, but instead Minny would take him and we were going to make that trade with Portland for Telfair. If we wouldn't have made the trade with Portland, you would have seen Minnesota take Foye with the 6th pick.
I don't want to say that Telfair was a mistake. I can't say for certain yet, but I still have my hope in the young kid. And that is exactly what he is--a young kid. Yes, he's the same age as Rondo, but Rondo was able to concentrate on improving his game for 2 years at Kentucky first (plus, Rondo's got so much more natural gifts to work with).
Many people looked at Telfair as not being able to hold the starting position at Portland, even though they were one of the worst teams in the league last season, but look at who's at starting for them now. Jarret Jack, like I predicted before he came into the league, is turning out to be a very good player. And he's older than Telfair, plus he's had 2 years at Georgia Tech before making the jump to the pros.
Right now, he's the 3rd string PG, but Doc is in love with Delonte. Delonte shouldn't be used as a PG, or even as a backup (unless there's foul trouble). It should be given to Telfair. Rondo has solidified himself as our starter and the backup minutes should be spent on Bassy. Telfair can play much better than he is now and when he does.
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Post by Roadrunner on Feb 22, 2007 22:46:25 GMT -5
Yes, Danny made mistake. The Celtics would have taken Roy, who is the real deal, and this year's R.O.Y.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Feb 23, 2007 10:23:56 GMT -5
I'll tell you this, RR. If Ainge drafted Roy, and Pierce, Wally, and Tony were fully healthy, no one would even be thinking of Brandon Roy as Rookie of the Year. He'd hardly be seeing any playing time.
No one can say that Telfair is a mistake yet. He's only been through half a season with the team. He needs to work out his kinks to move forward. He has to find out how to fit in his game with what this team needs. And I think there's a good chance that he will because he's a hard worker and a competitor.
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Post by Roadrunner on Feb 23, 2007 23:44:19 GMT -5
If the team drafted Roy, then one of the few would have been trading chips to upgrade other positions.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Feb 24, 2007 15:26:02 GMT -5
Tony was having a tremendous year before he went down. I doubt Roy would have been in front of him. There's no way he would have moved ahead of Pierce. Gerald isn't as polished as Roy, but everyone can see that Gerald has amazing skills that are starting to emerge.
I would concede that Wally may have been expendable if Roy was playing really good basketball, but that still leaves Roy to have to play in back of Pierce, Tony, Delonte and possibly Gerald. There's no way Brandon Roy would be getting 34+ minutes on this team like he is for Portland.
Yes, he is a terrific talent, and if we didn't already have so many talented wings, he would have been an ideal player to take with the 7th pick. But we are alread stacked at the 2 and 3 and we needed help at the 1, and that's why the trade was made.
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Post by Roadrunner on Feb 24, 2007 18:01:55 GMT -5
I don't agree w/ the trade. Telfair is like practice fodder, and Ratcliff has been hurt all season.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Feb 24, 2007 18:28:11 GMT -5
Yeah, in hindsite, the trade doesn't look all that great. I mean Ratliff being injured makes him uselss (aside from his future expiring contract).
Telfair being practice fodder? Just remember that early in the season, Rajon was nowhere to be seen, and many we all wondered what was going on. He certainly had the game, but Doc didn't let him see any time on the floor. Telfair is starting to get more minutes now and his confidence could start to build up again. Keep in mind also that we are talking about a 21 yr old PG. PG's take time to get in sync with the NBA (unless you are Jason Kidd or Chris Paul). Telfair doesn't have as many natural gifts as Rajon, but he does have PG skills (I honestly believe this). All I want from people is to give him more time to adjust. Maybe at his best, all he will be is a second string PG, and I can live with that. But we shouldn't just give him 44 games to label him a bust.
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Post by Roadrunner on Feb 24, 2007 23:28:22 GMT -5
Telfair had 2 seasons w/ Portland to show improvement.
Right now, the trade looks un-even.
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Post by Roadrunner on Feb 24, 2007 23:29:44 GMT -5
By the way, didn't Kidd get traded from Dallas? Yes, he was co-rookie of the year, but they traded him.
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