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Post by eja117 on Feb 11, 2007 20:06:51 GMT -5
I think what I really like about Noah isn't his talent. He seems decent at blocking shots and gets decent position and plays smart, but I think it will be hard for him to adjust to being the smallest big man around. The thing I like about him is that he is so positive and so happy when he plays. That man was born to play basketball and lead. He is obviously the glue of that team. He's like Battier but taller and faster. You trade Oden for Noah and Florida falls apart while OSU gets better. I'm not sure that will translate completely to the pros which is talent based, but with such young players I think he could be really infectous. He's like Tom Brady after that first Super Bowl. Nobody knew if he'd be more talented or a better Quarterback, but maybe he'd be better for the TEAM and a better PLAYER, and I have to wonder that about Noah and Durant and Oden. In fact I think it would be a very smart move to try to aquire Noah in addition to the top pick.
I like Gasol. I'm just liking the whole youth movement we got. I also am not sure how Gasol matches up against other teams but then again I have no idea how Noah or Durant matches up either.
I think when you look at our front three it looks pretty sweet soon Either Oden AL PP or
AL Durant PP or
AL Noah PP
but you gotta match that up against this
Okafor #6 pick (Thabeet? Jianlian?) Wallace
or this
Bogut #5 pick (Thabeet? Horford?) Redd
or this
Alridge Randolph #8 pick (Julian Wright?)
And what if one of these teams wins the lottery and picks in the top 3? That would be baaaddd. Things are bad enough. Which is why Derren is right when he says we still need Rondo and GG and TA to get good and we still need another year or two.
I wish Doc would play Powe already. We HAVE to find out what Perk and Powe can do.
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Post by cfoo on Feb 11, 2007 20:08:19 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind Noah at all. I think he would be a really solid pick for us if we could get him. A good leader and a guy that would really lead by example the way he plays. He's a good defensive player and really plays hard. The one drawback to noah is he can't shoot. His shot is ugly.... I like Gasol because it would give us a high post player and a lowpost guy in Jefferson. But JEfferson has been expanding his range so it might work.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Feb 11, 2007 20:14:08 GMT -5
Eja, you've been mentioning Thabeet often, and I'm not sure why. He has that dreaded "P" word stuck with him, but unlike Jefferson's P-word, or Gerald's P-word, Thabeet has a limited ceiling so he's not going to amount to a potential All-Star.
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Post by cfoo on Feb 11, 2007 20:16:44 GMT -5
Dave Cowens was before my time but the way you describe Noah sounds a lot like people used to describe Cowens. Not that I should be comparing the two but I just thought of Cowens when you described Noah.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Feb 11, 2007 20:20:28 GMT -5
Cowens was also before my time, but I think Noah is a bit more versatile offensively. Cowens reminds me more of a Bill Laimbeer/Troy Murphy type. But I don't really know. I've only got to see a few highlights of Cowens.
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Post by freshnthehouse on Feb 12, 2007 4:22:34 GMT -5
Would you say we are the best team that gets the #1 pick ever? I'd say a serious argument can be made for yes. PP doesn't match up to David Robinson but the rest of the team matches up well. I'd say the 92-93 Magic were the best team to get the #1 pick in the lotto era. Two years later they were already in the finals.
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Post by freshnthehouse on Feb 12, 2007 4:27:47 GMT -5
Cowens was also before my time, but I think Noah is a bit more versatile offensively. Cowens reminds me more of a Bill Laimbeer/Troy Murphy type. But I don't really know. I've only got to see a few highlights of Cowens. Laimbeer and Murphy couldnt hold Cowen's jock, and that's putting it mildly. Cowens is a top 10 all-time center. I read an awesome quote somewhere about Cowens that he was the Tasmanian Devil disguised as a basketball player. The guy was relentless. He gave up over half a foot to Kareem and still gave him all he could handle. Id be shocked if Noah has even close to the career that Cowans had.
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Post by cfoo on Feb 12, 2007 8:47:57 GMT -5
Let's hope we get the 1 or 2 and then trade the pick for Gasol if we dont then. Or draft someone else that can really come in and contribute. I'm just not sure who that guy is after the 1 or 2. I dont really see anyone that stands out. Noah has his questions, Wright has his questions. Who would you take? Seems like the draft is pretty weak after the 1st couple picks.
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Post by cfoo on Feb 12, 2007 8:55:33 GMT -5
For all we know this trade for Gasol might not be happening for memphis's sake and they want us to improve our draft position. We have Pierce, Jefferson, Gasol we aren't going to have that high a pick. I'm pretty much fully on board with the Gasol trade at this point. I honestly think Gasol helps us more than Durant even, because he fits what we need. And it could be argued he's a very good second option to Oden and he has his pluses.
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Post by cfoo on Feb 12, 2007 9:28:31 GMT -5
I'm still split on Noah. Some people seem to think he's an nba bust and other people think he will be really successful. I havent seen enough of him to really know at this point. I'd probably still list him at #3 behind Oden, Durant though. I really like his attitude I know that much.
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Post by eja117 on Feb 12, 2007 16:35:52 GMT -5
They say Noah can't shoot but his fg % is .623. He'll improve. There was a very good article about potential on NBAdraft.net the other day where it said everybody talks about ceilings, but what about basements, which in some ways is way more important. My basement for Noah is basically a really smart, leader, healthy, hardworking, Raef without the jumper. That would actually be really valuable to have. Like if we had a Delonte in a 7 footer's body that could be Noah, and I'd take that any day.
Check out these quotes about him
"Noah says he knows exactly who he is - and it's deeper than being the son of fame and beauty. He's the sum of what he has seen and done, that's who. Noah says he's a little bit of everything." - Rick Maese, Orlando Sentinel
"I never had any idea how good he would be. When he got older, he'd always play ball with my son, and even then I didn't know he'd be like he is now. I still can't believe he's 7-feet." - Former NBA-great Patrick Ewing
"Joakim is a people person, he enjoys being around people. He has an enthusiasm for life that's so refreshing. He's very much opinionated. Wait, that isn't the right word. He's very, very well-versed. Let's say politics or things that are going on in the country and the world - he likes debating these things. I remember seeing him and [associate head coach] Anthony Grant and they were having a healthy discussion about politics. That' not something you always see." - Florida coach Billy Donovan
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Post by eja117 on Feb 12, 2007 16:41:48 GMT -5
Again about Thabeet I'm not sure why people just arbitrarily assign ceilings to players. I guess you have to try to evaluate talent, but the only reason I mention him is cause I'm thinking of who could get drafted after #4. After seeing how our guys are playing I'm starting to think it's just normal now to have to wait years for guys. We had to wait a while on AL and will have to wait a while on GG, and had to wait a while on TA till he got hurt ... again.. and are still waiting on Perk, whom I just don't think will be a bust, at least not considering where he was drafted. The whole league is still waiting on Bassy, who I think could be a bust. And we have to wait at least a little while longer on Rondo. This is a waiting situation. We'll have to wait at least about 2 years to see what we got almost no matter who we draft next, and with this many young guys we just have no idea what we can be. Pretty much the only top draft picks in years that paid immediate dividends and told their teams almost instantly that they would definitely be competing for championships at some point were Shaq, Duncan, and maybe Lebron. That's it. We have so much youth no matter what we'll still be in a holding pattern.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Feb 13, 2007 0:15:18 GMT -5
I haven't checked all the draft sites, but it appears only NBADraft has Thabeet going that high. I certainly don't think he's coming out this season (if he is, he's insane), and for them to state that he's the 4th best prospect in a solid draft is very questionable.
Eja, you've doubted Jefferson very much, but yet you don't have that same type of negativity towards Thabeet, who doesn't have Jefferson's potential. Not sure I understand why.
CF, I tend to think that Gasol would be a better choice over Durant too, if we had to choose. No doubt that Durant is going to be an amazing player in the NBA, but if we have Pierce, he won't be much of a need. I look at our roster and I feel that a stud big man next to Jefferson is what we need.
But, if we end up trading Pierce (not necessarily for Gasol), then having Durant is a need.
Brandon Wright is from Tennessee, so maybe a draft day trade (if we lose out on Oden, Durant and Noah) that sends Wright to Memphis (along with other pieces) for Gasol could be a scenario to watch for.
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Post by freshnthehouse on Feb 13, 2007 3:01:38 GMT -5
On the subject of Thabeet, I need to see him play some more, because Ive been very intrigued by what Ive read. If he could become what some scouts think hes capable of becoming, hes exactly what this team(heck, almost every team) needs. A 7 foot+ big man who shuts down the paint, gobbles rebounds, and doesnt demand the basketball on the offensive end? Sign me up. But for all I know, this guy is just a 7 foot dude with zero basketball skills and will be completely exposed at the pro level. Time will tell.
A year from now, we'll all get a laugh out of the idea that Gasol would help this team more than Durant. Durant is talent like this game hasnt seen before. He will be one of the best players of our time.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Feb 13, 2007 10:31:50 GMT -5
A year from now, we'll all get a laugh out of the idea that Gasol would help this team more than Durant
You've got to read the context in which this was stated. If we have Paul Pierce, we've already got our All-Star wing player and clutch performer. Yes, having Durant would be wonderful, but not as much as a need as having a stud 7 foot big man next to Jefferson.
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