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Post by cfoo on Feb 10, 2007 8:05:12 GMT -5
I know a lot of people are thinking this season is just a pass, and the C's will bounce back next year and everything will be fine. But what if they don't? Just wondering what people are really expecting of this team? Do you really think we are going to land Oden and everything is going to be fine?
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Post by cfoo on Feb 10, 2007 8:09:18 GMT -5
I don't really know either way why I'm asking. I really just don't know what to make of this team right now. I'd like to be positive and say hey we are young and will be fine, but on the other hand I've seen this before, and a lot of teams just keep spinning their wheels and you expect them to turn around and one thing leads to another. I guess the point is there are a lot of good young teams in the league with good young talent that are struggling, but that doesn't mean they are ultimately going to be good. You have New Orleans, Toronto, Charlotte etc. Even the Knicks have a similar roster to us. What makes us different?
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Post by cfoo on Feb 10, 2007 8:29:28 GMT -5
It just seems to me that any team that would lose 17 in a row is missing several pieces. It seems like people think once the players we have start playing to their potential they are going to be champions. Maybe those people are right, but I've never seen a team lose this many and then win a championship with basically the same players. Maybe this is different, but usually when a team is this bad, they have to add several pieces and need a major overhaul, before they are actually at a championship level.
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Post by greenblood on Feb 10, 2007 9:37:07 GMT -5
I am with you in the fact that I'm not sure how good this team really. It really is tough to evaluate a team that is missing or has missed it's core team for the majority of a season. I also want to stay optimistic but without seeing guys like Tony Allen (a month before he went down), Paul Pierce, Wally (fully healthy of course), Jefferson, Delonte (now that he has taken the minutes away from Telfair), Gomes, and a healthy Perk (I know a lot of you are down on him, but playing on one foot when he needs to be at 100% to match up with more athletic players), all play together for a significant portion of time.
In perfect world (or season), the starting lineup at this point would most likely be Ratliff, Jefferson, Wally, Pierce, Delonte...with Allen, Telfair, Gomes, and Perk rounding out the rotation. If that would've been the lineup for the majority of the season, we would have an easier job evaluating the team against other teams. My guess, is that lineup would finish with somewhere around 40 wins, making them a bubble playoff team.
The team on the floor, however, consists of 11th and 12th men, like Powe, Ray, Scal and not quite ready for prime time players like Green and Rondo. That is a bad team. Worst in the league, as the record indicates. That being said, I would bet a lot of money that if teams like Washington, Chicago, Cleveland, Utah, LA Lakers, or even Dallas would be at the bottom of the league if they were forced to play with their 7-12 men on a nightly basis. The only teams in the league that might, and stress might, be deep enough to play well with the bottom of their rosters would be San Antonio or Pheonix. Even then, they would play .500 ball most likely and be an 8th seed type of team.
As I have stated previously, this team, even when healthy wins around 40 - 45 games. Thats assuming of course that both Allen and Jefferson play like they have been playing without Pierce in the lineup.
So, to sum it all up, this team is just impossible to evaluate. The before mentioned assumptions were exactly that. One thing we do know, is that the last 5-7 guys on this roster need help in order to even be mediocre. However, this team fully healthy, and running on all cylinders is impossible to guage at this point.
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Post by Roadrunner on Feb 10, 2007 10:11:29 GMT -5
First, I don't expect Oden to declare. However, Durant maybe the best player when all is said and done, and he should declare.
As for the team, this season has been trying because of injuries and development. Just about every player has had one ailment or another and some players have been playing hurt all year which has hindered their game.
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Post by The Eye of the Q is upon you! on Feb 10, 2007 15:27:35 GMT -5
I know a lot of people are thinking this season is just a pass, and the C's will bounce back next year and everything will be fine. But what if they don't? Just wondering what people are really expecting of this team? Do you really think we are going to land Oden and everything is going to be fine? That is funny how we all thought that this would be the big bounce back year and all last year starting right about the same time. Unfortunately, the talent really isn't there to begin with. It is going to be a long and difficult grind back to just a midicom of respectability. Danny Ainge and Doc Rivers legacy is going to be how they took a brief Celtic revival led by Pierce and Walker and turned it into the bottom feeding abyss we have become. God did not want Red Auerbach to witness this and terminated his life before the season could begin. I have no better way to say this that this is the start of a long losing cycle. Nuclear winter has hit this franchise. The good times of the 1960's 1970's and 1980's are a thing of the past like the Old Boston which had the delicious smell of Red Auerbach's cigar smoke. I don't have any reason to believe that I will live to see the 17th Celtics championship. Sorry for the very pessimistic outlook. I hope you young fans stock up on old classic Celtics films like I have and remember what has been taken from us.
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Post by cfoo on Feb 10, 2007 15:53:55 GMT -5
Hang in there Q. It's not that bad. Well 17 in a row is pretty bad and I hear what you are saying about how we keep expecting this team to get going and they keep getting worse, and its frustrating. I sometimes wonder if this team is headed in the right direction and if they will ever get there, but you never know. There are a lot of positives on this team for a team that has lost 17 in a row. That's why I asked this question because I'm somewhere in teh middle. I see good things, but I also wonder sometimes if this is really going to work out. Ultimately its just a game, and it's fun watching the young guys and stuff at least win or lose. We'd all like this team to win, and they probably will eventually. Just not this year.
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Post by freshnthehouse on Feb 10, 2007 16:53:29 GMT -5
If we get one of the big two and remain relatively injury-free, I think we'd end up in the play-offs next year as a 6-8 seed. If we dont end up with one of them and remain relatively injury-free, I'd say we win somewhere around 35 games with an outside chance at the playoffs. So much of it depends how ready to contribute the rook we end up with is.
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Post by eja117 on Feb 10, 2007 16:56:54 GMT -5
I think a big thing is going to come down to two guys. TA and whether he is good enough or healthy enought to play the way he was or GG and whether he grows into being a player we hope he can be. If neither one does that and they continue to play the inconsistent not so good ball they played a lot of this year, it will be time to consider replacing them.
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Post by freshnthehouse on Feb 10, 2007 16:59:58 GMT -5
Danny Ainge and Doc Rivers legacy is going to be how they took a brief Celtic revival led by Pierce and Walker and turned it into the bottom feeding abyss we have become. I'd much rather have the 07 version of the Cs than the 03 version of the C's. At least this team has a chance at big things(c'mon ping pong balls!). While those Obie led teams won more games, they still had no shot at winning a title. I dont want fool's gold. I want the real deal. I have studies theology extensively, but I doubt God has an active interest in NBA basketball. WHat makws you say this? If anything, we are embarking on a chance to truly compete for the first time since the mid 80s. Would you really rather have the Obie team back? WOuld you rather settle for 40s something wins with no real shot at improvement?
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Post by cfoo on Feb 10, 2007 17:05:50 GMT -5
God is a football fan. We all know this by all those TD celebrations and football playrs thanking God.
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Post by eja117 on Feb 10, 2007 17:10:44 GMT -5
I agree if God cares about sports he cares much more about football with all those religious schools out there like BC, Notre Dame, and BYU.
I also agree with fresh that Obie's teams had little chance of a title and that it was somehow very good in a way that we accumulated talent and youth, and gave them some chances to play, while getting worse (younger) in a natural cycle that brought us a top pick and a chance to truly compete again. We had topped out. In the mean time we still have two or three vets to help us a long.
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Post by Rondo to Posey on Feb 10, 2007 20:51:11 GMT -5
I say realistically if this group gets a top 2 pick we are about 3-4 years from contending if we don't we are in for another long ride. You can only coast on late round picks and aging stars for so long.
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Post by eja117 on Feb 10, 2007 22:26:50 GMT -5
Some ncaa coach was being interviewed on espn and was asked if he had the top pick in the draft would he go for Oden or Durant and he said "I'd like to trade my whole roster for both". Then when they forced him to choose he said Durant. Now there's an idea I might endorse. Say worst comes to worst and we pick 4th I say offer AL, Wally, TA, and the 2nd rounder for Oden Offer Delonte, the 4th pcik, GG, Bassy, and Powe Throw the Minnesotta pick on the table and next year's picks as well. And Allan Ray. And Scala
Then do something like this
Oden Durant Gomes PP Rondo
Bench Perk Kandi A whole buncha college free agents and euros or whatever. Washups. Ndudi Ebi. Give Korleon Young a chance. i really don't care.
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Post by freshnthehouse on Feb 11, 2007 4:56:18 GMT -5
We couldnt offer enough for either pick to even make the other team's GM continue the phone conversation. Those two picks are virtually untradable.
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