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Post by The Eye of the Q is upon you! on Feb 6, 2007 13:17:34 GMT -5
This is Crunch time for the Ainge Administration. The Board will not tolerate 4 more years of losing. This February may decide the fate of the Boston Celtics in the next 5 to 10 years.
Can Danny make chicken salad out of chicken ______ ?
What can be done to improve our lot?
Fire Doc Rivers is not an option. It truly is all about the personnel.
I really want to hear your input this.
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Post by The Eye of the Q is upon you! on Feb 6, 2007 13:30:36 GMT -5
OK I cast my vote in favor of trading for Gasol and trading out Wally Z to Dallas.
My feeling is we are going to have to shell out top dollar to Jefferson and Gerald Green before they are ready to earn that top dollar. Jefferson has had injury issues. Green is a heck of an athlete but by the time he figures out how to play, Pierce will not be around. Theo Ratliffe has to be included to make the numbers work. Tsadakilis is an upgrade over Olowakandi and insurance for Perkins injury problems.
Also I would trade Sczczerbiak to Dallas for Stackhouse (end of contract filler playing Tony Allen's spot) and Greg Buckner - a defensive SF backup type. This is a financially responsible deal. I feel Wally is not the best fit here in Boston and we should give him a better situation.
Overall, Pierce needs a veteran star running mate (Sczerbiak is an overpaid role player that can help a team compete for a championship) and he gets one in Pau Gasol.
Rondo, West, T. Allen, Pierce, Gomes, Gasol, Tsadakilis, and Perkins lineup can win the Atlantic and compete for the EC championship in the next five years. We need a defensive minded coach to make this happen.
Come on Danny, earn your money.
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Post by eja117 on Feb 6, 2007 14:50:09 GMT -5
I am not for building around PP. I don't envision the next championship banner being hoisted because of him. If he wanted to do that he shouldn't have gotten himself ejected. He had his shot. I envision the next banner being hoisted cause of Durant. Or possibly Oden.
I don't think Stack is much better than Wally.
I wouldn't pay huge bucks for a guy that didn't earn it.
I don't think Pau is leading any teams to a championship. I don't think him or PP are bronze medal guys let alone gold. You don't get guys like Lebron or Duncan or Dwight Howard in free agency or through trades. You get them through the draft. I don't see what's wrong with that.
If I could do anything I'd wait till after the draft and trade PP and maybe GG or TA or a draft pick or something like that for a KG. You know. Someone who could actually help us win. A gold medal guy.
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Post by The Eye of the Q is upon you! on Feb 6, 2007 15:05:04 GMT -5
Good input, eja..... The only problem is I don't believe Minnesota will ever give up KG nor should they. He might leave and go somewhere at the tail end of his career ala Gary Payton.
Maybe we'll be in that lucky position at that time. Waiting after the draft is always an option.
Well, good luck at Secaucus and may the green balls bounce better for us than they did 10 years ago.
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Post by eja117 on Feb 6, 2007 15:11:59 GMT -5
Minn might not let him go. Then maybe PP for JON or somebody good, but not 2 more wings that can't help us any more than him.
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Post by freshnthehouse on Feb 6, 2007 17:36:06 GMT -5
I voted do nothing because i didnt know anything about the Mavs situation. If both of those guys are FAs after this season, Id do that trade in a heartbeat.
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Post by freshnthehouse on Feb 7, 2007 4:27:04 GMT -5
Rondo, West, T. Allen, Pierce, Gomes, Gasol, Tsadakilis, and Perkins lineup can win the Atlantic and compete for the EC championship in the next five years. We need a defensive minded coach to make this happen. IMO that roster isnt close to being championship quality. I just hope DA has the nerve to stick this out and not settle for a 40-50 win roster that will never win a title. I'd much rather roll the dice in the lotto than settle for a team that is not championship worthy.
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Post by The Eye of the Q is upon you! on Feb 7, 2007 6:58:55 GMT -5
Rondo, West, T. Allen, Pierce, Gomes, Gasol, Tsadakilis, and Perkins lineup can win the Atlantic and compete for the EC championship in the next five years. We need a defensive minded coach to make this happen. IMO that roster isnt close to being championship quality. I just hope DA has the nerve to stick this out and not settle for a 40-50 win roster that will never win a title. I'd much rather roll the dice in the lotto than settle for a team that is not championship worthy. What if we draw the #4 spot - what would you do then? Would Joakim Noah work for you? Would we break out and become a power overnight?
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Post by freshnthehouse on Feb 7, 2007 16:29:53 GMT -5
What if we draw the #4 spot - what would you do then? Would Joakim Noah work for you? Would we break out and become a power overnight? With the #4 pick, Im not sure what Id do. I really like Hawes, but I'd like to hear more about that chinese kid as well. And Ive always thought that Julian Wright is going to be a great pro. But will it make us a power overnight? No. Nothing will. Even if we got Oden or Durant, it would still take us a 2-3 years to truly be contenders. There is no move that makes us a power overnight. Trading for Gasol wouldnt do it. Scoring AI wouldnt have done it.
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Post by Roadrunner on Feb 9, 2007 23:10:02 GMT -5
I have not scouted after pick #2.
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Post by mev17 on Feb 10, 2007 0:43:18 GMT -5
I voted for another options, because of the following post I read on the Celtics 17 message board, apparently based on the Reynolds trade rumor:
"Think about this 3-way deal...
Gasol/Deng to Boston Pierce to CHI Knicks Pick/Gordon/PJ Brown/Sweetney to Memphis"
I don't know how much truth is to the rumor, but here is why I would go with that trade (assuming Chicago and Memphis play along). The last thing in the world I want to see is our young players having lost their confidence because they literally could not win without Pierce (leading, I'm affraid, to more stand-and-watch-Pierce-do-everything fourth quarters) and then miss out on #1 or #2 anyway. Afterall, saying we have a 1 in 2 change at Oden or Durante with the league's worse record also means we are as likely to not get either one (and that's certainly happened to us before, much to the delight of San Antonio).
If it goes through, this trade would give us a formidable combination at the 4 and 5, in terms of scoring, rebounding, and shot blocking, plus a very solid 3 on both offense and defense. This could be especially valuable in the event that T. Allen does not regain all of his athleticism.
And even if we don't get Oden or Durante, with Gasol's 20+ a game we wouldn't be a desperate for them and our pick is still likely to be a lottery pick in a very deep draft.
If we can trade Pierce and get both Gasol and Deng, without giving up either Al, Green or our own pick, I can't see passing that up.
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Post by FLCeltsFan on Feb 10, 2007 9:51:11 GMT -5
I have read a couple of conspiracy theory posts that bringing back Pierce now is not to get him ready for the post All Star trip but to prove he is healthy before the trade deadline.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Feb 10, 2007 15:33:43 GMT -5
I also see that view, FL. Risking future injury on Pierce's foot is not a good move, especially since this is a lost season anyway (as in not going anywhere). Rushing him back just to stop the losing streak with the possibility of losing him for a longer period of time if he lands awkwardly on his foot is a calculated risk.
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Post by cfoo on Feb 10, 2007 18:14:03 GMT -5
Could we get Deng and Gasol for PIErce? That's a pretty good trade. Deng isn't Paul Pierce but he's pretty damn good. I'd probably vote for that one and then go play the lottery. Id also try to get Wally out of town. I would not trade Jefferson, Rondo. Allen, Green, West, Pierce I don't want to give up, but might, everyone else is fair game for hte right price.
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Post by Rondo to Posey on Feb 10, 2007 20:46:33 GMT -5
If you get Deng and Gasol for Pierce you do it in a second.
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