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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jan 29, 2007 18:37:38 GMT -5
Folks, I hate to say this, but I think Gasol is a Celtic, and Jefferson is a Grizzly, IF the owners want to start winning right now.
If the owners want to make a run at a title with Pierce, and they aren't willing to wait a few more years for young guys to develop (Jefferson is likely a year and a half away from being a true threat), I think they will push Ainge's hand and make the trade with Memphis for Gasol.
Let me just state that I want Jefferson here, more than any other player on the team. I don't want to lose Jefferson, even though I like Gasol. But the owners don't want to keep losing, especially since they forked up all that dough to re-sign Pierce long term.
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Post by cfoo on Jan 29, 2007 19:20:14 GMT -5
Does Gasol really help us more than Jefferson? jefferson is putting up 16 and 10 it seems and a couple blocks. Next year he will be a 20 and 10 guy imo. What does Gasol give us that Jefferson doesn't? Gasol is more refined right now but Jefferson is getting there. This basically buys us a year in which we aren't making a run with or without Gasol.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jan 29, 2007 19:37:57 GMT -5
I honestly feel that Jefferson is still under a developmental mode right now, as crazy as that may sound since he's a double double guy already. I think in about a year and a half, Jefferson will be a true 20 and 11 guy against any team on any given night. He's not quite there yet.
Gasol is ahead of Jefferson by a few years and remember that he has been playing in the tougher Western Conference and has still been one of the top big men in the league. He's a proven veteran while Jefferson is still proving himself.
But no doubt, I agree with you that Jefferson is not far away from being a guy at Gasol's level.
Ainge made a comment recently where he said that a combination of Pierce and Gasol is contender material (not verbatem but somewhere along those lines).
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Post by eja117 on Jan 29, 2007 19:52:14 GMT -5
I don't understand why we trade for a Gasol when we have a guy much younger putting up similar numbers right now. This would be like trading Elton Brand after his second year in the league for I guess Gasol after his 6th. I just don't see it. I think AL J can be signed to a better contract too.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jan 29, 2007 20:18:43 GMT -5
Like I said in the first post, the owners would force Ainge to make this trade so that we start winning now. Gasol is a proven player and he's ahead of Jefferson right now. In time Jefferson will catch up to him, but right now, he's not at Gasol's level.
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Post by eja117 on Jan 29, 2007 20:40:22 GMT -5
By that logic we might as well trade him for Al Harrington, or Boozer, or Antawn Jamison, or Rashard Lewis, or Troy Murphy, or Udonis Haslem, or Zach Randolph. All of which would be stupid. When I think of Gasol the word "championship" just doesn't come to mind. In 3 years AL could be one of the best around. He was one of the 4 guys suggested by espn to represent the East in the all-star game. The only big men I see as maybe being better than Al for a long time to come is Amare, D Howard, Oden, Yao, Marion, Emeka, Brand, Bosh, Durant, and that's it. In 3 years the KGs, Duncans, Shaqs, etc will be on the way out. Al will be 25. In all liklihood Al would maybe not be better than these guys, but might be fully capable of going toe to toe with em. Even Marion, Yao, and Brand will certainly not be spring chickens by then, They'll be where KG and Duncan are now. On the back third, which is a big third, but they are way more than half done.
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Post by cfoo on Jan 29, 2007 21:55:45 GMT -5
Ainge made a comment recently where he said that a combination of Pierce and Gasol is contender material (not verbatem but somewhere along those lines). See it's comments like that that make me question. I haven't heard him say that, but a combination of Pierce and Gasol is not contender material.
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Post by eja117 on Jan 29, 2007 22:37:03 GMT -5
I 100% agree. Contender for maybe even second round of the playoffs, but that's about it. Certainly no more so than PP and Iverson. Maybe if Gasol just fell out of the sky and we didn't have to trade anything of any value for him, but not in the real world.
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Post by Roadrunner on Jan 29, 2007 23:39:19 GMT -5
Not a good trade. The team hasn't developed enough to make a playoff run w/ Gasol.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jan 30, 2007 1:02:55 GMT -5
Don't get me wrong. I've been praising Jefferson since Day 1 and I don't want him to be traded. But here's the situation:
-Gasol is looking to be traded, and he's been linked to us for some time now -Ainge has been a fan of Gasol for some time now -we've been a losing team for over a decade now -the owners may want to have a strong second half to build on for next season -at some point there will be a trade because we are just too young
Do I want Jefferson traded? Absolutely not. I know he will get better and better. But if the owners feel that bringing Gasol here will help us to turn our season around, I think they may force Ainge to make the trade happen.
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Post by freshnthehouse on Jan 30, 2007 4:16:04 GMT -5
I still havent seen a ligit link between the C's and Gasol thats worth taking seriously. Im not buying the Denver post article that mentioned us giving up "several" draft picks. Several draft picks? Who are we getting in return, Herchel Walker?
And if this rumomr turns out to be legit, I am not a fan of the move. CF and Eja have already said what i think best. What do we gain out of this trade? Worse draft position this year? I dont see how this could be seen as a long term move because I think that AlJeff can bring just as much(if not more) to the table as Gasol. Lets hope this stays what it looks like to me" Some imaginative fans dreaming up trade scenarios in the dog days of the NBA season.
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Post by cfoo on Jan 30, 2007 6:23:33 GMT -5
This is just my opinion but I would like to stockpile as much big time talent as we can get in this draft and get a coach in here that can really turn this team around. This is what concerns sometimes is I see Ainge sitting on the sidelines laughing and having a good time, when the C's are playing pretty horribly. I understand being confident and being ok with the losing if he has a plan which I hope is the case, but I hope he is being aggressive. I hope the losing is bothering him. Getting someone like Gasol and saying ok now we are contenders is not an aggressive move imo, if we were to get Gasol and also land other big time players than yes that is being aggressive, but to give up Al Jefferson and lose a chance at Oden is a mistake. Come next year Jefferson will be ready to really contribute imo. We have Pierce. We have some other decent players. But we need to add a couple more guys not subtract.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jan 30, 2007 10:37:06 GMT -5
Yeah, I think if we are patient, we can eventually have a contending team with Jefferson, Gerald and Pierce, with hopefully another high powered player coming to us via the draft. We already have a good group of solid role players (Perk, Delonte, Gomes) and a few young players who may have big roles in the future (Powe, Rajon, Telfair, Ray).
If only there is a way we can add Gasol without giving up our future.
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Post by eja117 on Jan 30, 2007 11:05:20 GMT -5
I hope DA is more just trying to tempt Memphis and will try to get the deal done for something more like GG, Telfair, Theo, Wally, and a future protected 1rst or something.
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Post by FLCeltsFan on Jan 30, 2007 11:47:38 GMT -5
If the owners havent forced Danny to dump Doc, then I don't believe they will force him to make a trade.
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