Post by FLCeltsFan on Jan 5, 2007 12:09:06 GMT -5
I started posting my thoughts on this in the game thread.... then thought maybe in the if doc coached.... thread. But thought I would start another thread because it kind of fits in those threads but I think it deserves it's own...
I have been reading about the Grizzlies since Barone took over. Oh my! These aren't the same Grizzlies that they were under Mike Fratello. They are a running team and a high scoring team. He has unleashed them and in a win against the Warriors on Wed, they scored 144 points in regulation!!!! They are 2-1 since Fratello was fired.
What a difference a coach can make. Gasol, Miller and Swift are on a tear and will be a handful to guard being that they run and run and run and by running, they get easy baskets. I got this quote from an article on CSL that I just posted in the news section:
Doc is a controlling ego maniacal obsessed coach, but he isn't defensively obsessed so he is even worse. He just micromanages and holds these players back from letting loose. I have realized this since he mentioned adding 3 defensive sets 2 days before the end of training camp when he had mentioned that they already had 5 of them in place. He has a plethora of offensive sets as well and at one point mentioned that he was going to make it simple and use only 2... but I am sure he is back to a full playbook as he can't stand not micromanaging the team.
This is from a Celtics/Grizzlies preview in the news section:
This is a coach that Red would have loved. Don't call plays every time down the floor. Don't have 8 or 9 defensive sets. Don't have a ton of plays that the players have to memorize and then execute. No wonder our guys get lost on offense and defense at times... they forget whether they are running play number 10 or play number 20.
If Doc would do like Red did, or like Barone is doing, and turn the PG's loose to run and create, we would be so much better. I just hate the thought that we are stuck with him the rest of the season and that he may be ruining 2 good pass first running PG's in the process.
This is also from JB's article
Doc doesn't know how to play big men and doesn't use them correctly. He loved Raef because Raef camped out on the 3 point line to "stretch the defenses" and he never crashed the boards.
Doc also loves Scal. Now Scal plays hard and is a good 11th or 12th man to bring in energy at times, but he, like Raef, often camps out on the 3 point line. Raef and Scal were not post players. I am surprised that Clifford Ray doesn't pitch a fit about the way Doc uses big men. If we would play Jefferson and Perk together and Powe and Gomes together to have an offensive and defensive big on the floor at the same time, it would make us a much better team. But Doc doesn't like his big men to play back to the basket. Even Al plays too far out.
What I am becoming afraid of is that Danny will make trades based on what Doc is doing with the kids and not what they are capable of. Turn Telfair and Rondo loose to run and create. Play Perk and Al together and Powe and Gomes together and we would be a much better team. Instead, they are like thoroughbreds being harnessed to a plow.
I have been reading about the Grizzlies since Barone took over. Oh my! These aren't the same Grizzlies that they were under Mike Fratello. They are a running team and a high scoring team. He has unleashed them and in a win against the Warriors on Wed, they scored 144 points in regulation!!!! They are 2-1 since Fratello was fired.
What a difference a coach can make. Gasol, Miller and Swift are on a tear and will be a handful to guard being that they run and run and run and by running, they get easy baskets. I got this quote from an article on CSL that I just posted in the news section:
We will have our hands full tonight, against a team that is unleashed from the chains of a controlling ego maniacal, defensively obsessed coach
Doc is a controlling ego maniacal obsessed coach, but he isn't defensively obsessed so he is even worse. He just micromanages and holds these players back from letting loose. I have realized this since he mentioned adding 3 defensive sets 2 days before the end of training camp when he had mentioned that they already had 5 of them in place. He has a plethora of offensive sets as well and at one point mentioned that he was going to make it simple and use only 2... but I am sure he is back to a full playbook as he can't stand not micromanaging the team.
This is from a Celtics/Grizzlies preview in the news section:
``We got tired halfway through the third quarter,'' said Barone, a former NBA assistant who will finish the season as coach, then return to his original post as director of player personnel.
``I saw some eyes starting to cross in the huddle. So I asked them: 'OK, would you like me to start calling plays from here on in?' They said no, so I said: 'OK, start running again.' There's no magic in coaching.''
``I saw some eyes starting to cross in the huddle. So I asked them: 'OK, would you like me to start calling plays from here on in?' They said no, so I said: 'OK, start running again.' There's no magic in coaching.''
This is a coach that Red would have loved. Don't call plays every time down the floor. Don't have 8 or 9 defensive sets. Don't have a ton of plays that the players have to memorize and then execute. No wonder our guys get lost on offense and defense at times... they forget whether they are running play number 10 or play number 20.
If Doc would do like Red did, or like Barone is doing, and turn the PG's loose to run and create, we would be so much better. I just hate the thought that we are stuck with him the rest of the season and that he may be ruining 2 good pass first running PG's in the process.
This is also from JB's article
But that is what is killing me right now, the obvious need we have to play a rebounder/shot tblocker with Jefferson and Doc is hung up on playing Gomes, who is undersized and Rosen correctly saw get pushed around by the other power forwards…..
This has been the knock on Doc for years. He doesn’t seem to appreciate big man skills.
This has been the knock on Doc for years. He doesn’t seem to appreciate big man skills.
Doc doesn't know how to play big men and doesn't use them correctly. He loved Raef because Raef camped out on the 3 point line to "stretch the defenses" and he never crashed the boards.
Doc also loves Scal. Now Scal plays hard and is a good 11th or 12th man to bring in energy at times, but he, like Raef, often camps out on the 3 point line. Raef and Scal were not post players. I am surprised that Clifford Ray doesn't pitch a fit about the way Doc uses big men. If we would play Jefferson and Perk together and Powe and Gomes together to have an offensive and defensive big on the floor at the same time, it would make us a much better team. But Doc doesn't like his big men to play back to the basket. Even Al plays too far out.
What I am becoming afraid of is that Danny will make trades based on what Doc is doing with the kids and not what they are capable of. Turn Telfair and Rondo loose to run and create. Play Perk and Al together and Powe and Gomes together and we would be a much better team. Instead, they are like thoroughbreds being harnessed to a plow.