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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jan 4, 2007 13:07:47 GMT -5
Was looking at what's going on at Celticsblog, and I came across a thread, with an interesting comment in it:
Rich Bucher was just on ESPNEWS and said "No one in the Celtics organization expects Doc Rivers back next season."
The poster made this comment on the 2nd of January, just a couple of days ago. Anyone remember this Rich Bucher comment, and if this is what he really said?
Since my Dolphins just lost their head coach, I'm in the mood for changing another head coach of my beloved team. I like Doc as a person, but not really as a coach. He can't take us to the next level.
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Post by The Eye of the Q is upon you! on Jan 4, 2007 13:46:35 GMT -5
Doc should finish the season at this point and then we should replace him. The season is dedicated to building future chemistry and I am not in favor of any February dealing. Watching last night's game gives me hope for 2008 and beyond. Pierce has been invited to coach's meetings which leads me to believe he will stay with the Celtics and coach this team in the future. That would be a good thing. I haven't closed my mind on trade ideas but I don't want a quick fix for winning the Atlantic Division and earning a automatic bid to the NBA playoffs. If the Celtics win the division with the kids, that would be great.
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Post by eja117 on Jan 4, 2007 15:17:58 GMT -5
If they fire Doc I'm very curious who they'd bring in. I heard on some TV show on NESN last nite some guy say "if Jim O'Brien were here he'd take Gerald and tell him to stand in the corner for 40 minutes" meaning he wouldn't have given the young guys and play time either. Whoever we get I kinda hope it's not a college guy. There are very few college guys I think that would do that well. After his 1000th win though I think it would be funy to see Bobby Knight coach in the pros. Hopefully he could coach Spewell. I wonder if that guy's kids are eating these days.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jan 4, 2007 16:17:01 GMT -5
I wouldn't read much into Pierce being included in the coaches meetings. It just shows me that Doc hasn't a clue as to what to do with this team and he's searching for ways to spice things up. Pierce actually may help, since he's been a proponent of getting Jefferson the ball more. And he encourages Gerald to be more aggressive.
I'm sort of shying away from college coaches at this time. After seeing college coach after college coach fail at the pro level (in basketball and football, though there are some exceptions), I'm no longer excited about handing a team over to one without having a proven track record at the pro level previously. I thought about Coach K on a few occasions, but now I'm a bit hesitant.
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Post by cfoo on Jan 4, 2007 20:35:34 GMT -5
What I don't understand about Doc is he micromanages things way too much sometimes. I do like some of the plays he ran for Gerald, and the players are coming along. You can't argue that Jefferson and Allen have really started to blossom, so it's hard to guage if Doc is doing a good job or not. He isn't exactly in the easiest situation here with all the young players the C's have, and sometimes they show up and other times they don't and he has to manage that. As far as Doc is concerned we can't really see what's going on behind the scenes, and it's hard to guage what his philosophy is. Like I said I do like how he has started to utilize some of the younger players.
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Post by ferbo on Jan 4, 2007 21:54:28 GMT -5
i WOULD THINK INCLUDING PIERCE IN MEETINGS WITH COACHES IS JUST KEEPING HIM PSYCHOLOGICALLY INVOLVED.
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Post by Roadrunner on Jan 4, 2007 23:58:29 GMT -5
It depends on the progress of the team. Though, I can really see Danny pulling a "Pop", and taking over the reins.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jan 5, 2007 1:42:22 GMT -5
Jeff from Celticsblog made the comment on CelticsStuffLive the other week about Jefferson, Gerald and Tony emerging as players. Its not necessarily because of Doc's ability to develop them, but more that they always had the ability in them, but only needed the playing time and the chance to prove their games.
But yes, CF, we really don't know what Doc is up to. We don't get to see what goes on behind the scenes.
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Post by freshnthehouse on Jan 5, 2007 3:35:47 GMT -5
Its not necessarily because of Doc's ability to develop them, but more that they always had the ability in them, but only needed the playing time and the chance to prove their games. Comments like this show that Doc is in a no-win situation in the Celtics fan's eyes. If the players dont put up big numbers, its Doc's fault for not developing them, and if they do put up good numbers, Doc had nothing to do with it. They've always had the ability in them. With that mindset, isnt it the players- not Docs- own fault for not developing?
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Post by BCHISTORIAN on Jan 5, 2007 7:08:19 GMT -5
hopefully doc gets banished out of boston the day the season ends
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Post by FLCeltsFan on Jan 5, 2007 9:30:54 GMT -5
Doc may be a good practice coach and may be developing the kids but he is now and always has been a terrible in game coach. He is no good at x and o's and he is outcoached on a regular basis. I think Danny hired him with the thought of developing his young players. He has stated emphatically that Doc will remain this season. But I believe that after this season he will be out of here. An article in the news section mentioned that ABC is very interested in adding Doc to their broadcast team.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jan 5, 2007 11:23:16 GMT -5
With that mindset, isnt it the players- not Docs- own fault for not developing?
No, because he's the one not giving them the playing time they need to develop quicker. Many of you are Perkins fans, and I'm sure you'd want Perkins to get a lot more minutes than what's being given to him right now.
Same for Rajon. He needs to be out there for longer stretches.
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Post by freshnthehouse on Jan 5, 2007 15:26:08 GMT -5
Same for Rajon. He needs to be out there for longer stretches. But whose minutes should be sacrificed?
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Post by eja117 on Jan 5, 2007 16:48:53 GMT -5
I would give him minutes at the expense of the guy who isn't shooting well (Delonte) and the guy who isn't getting assists and has never proven a thing in this league. (Bassy).
I agree with Derren. You can't give a 20 year old 30 seconds a game and then say "look he isn't putting up numbers, so he's not developing and it's his fault". Is this to say Scala is really developing well, and has put up great numbers and Doc has developed him? Cause he gets a surprsing number of minutes for a guy who averages less that 3 ppg (less than Powe I think, who is far younger, with less experience, and therefore is not as "developed")
This year in order for a kid to get playing time he has had to do one of three things
1. Pray for a miracle (occasionally something miraculous happens out of nowhere which results in a guy going from no minutes to a bunch, as was the case when suddenly Bassy was in the doghouse and Rondo got 28 minutes of play time. He did very well, and the very next game he got like 5 minutes. Like that makes sense)
2. Hope 3 vets or 4 vets that can't play get hurt as in when Perk, Kandi, Theo, and briefly Scala all were unavailable. Al got mins, but Powe still didn't. You'd think Doc would send him to the D League, but nope.
3. Do embarrasingly well with almost no playing time. Sometimes this works. Sometimes it doesn't. It's just not working for Powe. GG got like 21 points in like 16 minutes of play the other nite. Doc will probably hope people forgot, but maybe that combined with the fact that Wally can't run right now, and PP isn't playing and GG MIGHT get rewarded with somewhere between 14-28 minutes. Maybe.
In the mean time I love Gomes and West and am not ready to give up on Perk but they need to earn their minutes, and they really aren't but they still get them along with Scala, which goes to my theory Doc is either a bad coach, tanking, or doing something zhity.
Doc once said "I have to play the guys that do well in practice." Fair enough, but let's say you have two guys. One guy always does well in practice but never in games. The other one does the exact opposite. Who should play? Also one guy is way younger. Now who should play?
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Post by freshnthehouse on Jan 5, 2007 17:11:55 GMT -5
But has Veal really played poorly this year? The few times Ive seen him, he's been one of our defenders. And if its one thing this team needs, its good defense.
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