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Post by DERRENMATTS on Dec 25, 2006 6:16:37 GMT -5
When will we be a running team? We got ourselves "running" PG's, so that's not the problem. They are itching to run and play uptempo.
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Post by FLCeltsFan on Dec 25, 2006 8:46:47 GMT -5
I believe it will be when Doc is no longer here and Pierce is no longer the "star". Pierce said that he was willing to run but back peddled on that afterwards saying they had to pick and choose when to run. Doc says he wants to be a running team but doesn't do it. He has a big come back to inbound the ball instead of whoever is closest. He lets the PGs walk the ball up instead of passing ahead to get the ball up as fast as possible. He allows the PGs to dribble way too much (along with everyone else.) So many things that a fast break team should do, Doc doesn't incorporate. I don't think Doc is a fast break coach. And it isn't the players not doing what he wants because if a coach really wants a running team he will do those things and play those players who will run.
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Post by eja117 on Dec 25, 2006 12:19:02 GMT -5
Maybe I don't know much about basketball but it seems like the good teams could do both. But I don't think boring basketball wins unless you have Shaq or by far the most talent in the 1970s and can play the whole 4 corners thing. Karma for FL cause I agree with everything she said.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Dec 25, 2006 16:11:38 GMT -5
FL, your assesments are on the mark. I do think Doc is to blame and I do put blame on Pierce as well. If Doc wants to make us an uptempo team, he will drill it in practice and enforce it during games, and as we've seen in the past, Doc will bench star players to make his point known. And Pierce, being the star player on the team and the team's captain, has a lot of weight to push around, especially on a team who's so young and inexperienced. If he wants to run, and have the guys run hard with him, he'll voice it out and lead by example.
And that's the problem, he is leading by example--by not running.
Eja, you're right, contending teams need a strong halfcourt game as well as the ability to run. We've got it half right, but ain't putting in a lot of effort on the other half.
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Post by The Eye of the Q is upon you! on Dec 26, 2006 11:51:55 GMT -5
Problems with running: It starts at the back end with 1. good defense 2. good rebounding 3. good outlet passing.
So far we only do No 1 well. Save a Tony Allen steal and subsequent transition score, we don't do #1 well. And except for Perkins, we do No 3 very poorly. BTW we are not the fastest team out there and one of the shortest teams so this team figures to struggle until they find something they can execute well . Doc's job is to find something they can do well and he hasn't done it.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Dec 26, 2006 12:41:51 GMT -5
Another issue I have with us not running is that this is exactly the reason why Doc uses the small ball lineup. We aren't using this lineup to go head to head with the big teams; we are using it to give us an advantage on the fastbreaks and help us to push the tempo in our favor.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Dec 30, 2006 2:26:31 GMT -5
It was shown on the Warriors' telecast tonight that we are 23rd in the league in fastbreak points. And we were supposed to be an uptempo team, right? Ainge went out and got two of the fastest PG's in the league, but Doc has refused to let them play their games. Instead, the ball is taken out of their hands, Rajon hardly gets any playing time, and the least uptempo PG of them all is now our starting PG (Delonte West). What was all the "small ball" talk about this offseason? Doc said that we aren't a big team and that are strength is in our quickness and athleticism, but yet, time after dreaded time, we set up in the halfcourt offense, completely destroying any uptempo momentum.
We don't run or push the tempo at all, and I don't hear Doc yelling at the kids to do so. And the guys look tentative to get out and run. This tells me that this is Doc's doing.
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Post by The Eye of the Q is upon you! on Jan 4, 2007 13:50:10 GMT -5
We don't have that running mentality yet. Maybe it is a case of physical talent but we are at our best on the quick hitters - scoring with more than 12 seconds on the shot clock.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jan 4, 2007 16:08:08 GMT -5
It could me a lack of mentality. But I really think that this is Doc's gameplan. Rajon and Telfair don't run up the court with the ball at all unless its a fastbreak. On a missed shot or after a score, the ball is either jogged up or walked up, and this is not the nature of Telfair and Rajon. No one else is running with them, so they aren't going to run.
They are programmed to walk it up and wait for the players to set up. And then we run halfcourt offense. Its driving me nuts!!
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Post by ferbo on Jan 4, 2007 18:43:52 GMT -5
Last night Cs got 46 points in the paint, compared to 34 for the Cavs. So not "running" may not be that big a problem. I can envision an uptempo team which doesn't get lots of fast break points, but does well in the paint.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jan 7, 2007 13:15:03 GMT -5
Well, like many of us have thought, Doc was the reason for us not running. Its confirmed in today's paper, that Doc has turned off our running game early in the season because we were making too many mistakes, and not running the right way. He made us focus on running our halfcourt offense in order for us to get smarter and make wiser decisions.
But now, it appears that we may be allowed to attack again. I guess the players have improved and he's now willing to push the tempo more.
Its about time. Let the dogs loose--let Telfair and Rajon lead the pack!!!
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Post by Roadrunner on Jan 7, 2007 23:41:31 GMT -5
Well, we become a running team when Doc is fired, and Danny takes over the reins.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jan 8, 2007 11:19:06 GMT -5
You got that right, RR. This is just putrid. I really don't mind the losing, if Doc:
--plays the young guys (and this includes Gerald getting more time than Wally, Telfair and Rondo getting more of Delonte's minutes at the 1, and Powe actually getting any playing time!!)
--gets the team to run uptempo.
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Post by Roadrunner on Jan 8, 2007 23:46:20 GMT -5
My issue w/ Doc is that Wally is banged up, which is relfected by his poor shooting. Solution, limit his minute, and get him some rest; and let the youngsters play.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jan 9, 2007 10:16:27 GMT -5
Makes sense, doesn't it. And Gomes wasn't feeling well the other night, but he still starts Gomes.
Doc seems to have loyalty towards certainl players and blindly sticks with them, even though better solutions possibly await.
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