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Post by The Eye of the Q is upon you! on Jul 26, 2006 12:13:13 GMT -5
According to reports, the Sixers were ready to deal Iverson to Boston in a three-team arrangement that would have allowed them to move up to the No. 7 spot in the draft and take former Villanova guard Randy Foye. The Sixers supposedly would have received Gerald Green from the Celtics and Carlos Boozer from the Utah Jazz.
But the Celtics backed off of the deal. Since then, Danny Ainge, the team's executive director of basketball operations, has continued to talk with King in an attempt to obtain Iverson but his offers have been rebuffed.
Danny chose the trade with the Portland Trailblazers to get Telfair and Ratliffe instead, while dumping Raef's salary.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jul 26, 2006 17:36:24 GMT -5
Yep, Ainge did the right thing by not making that trade with Philly, especially if Gerald was included in that package.
From all accounts, the Portland deal that brought Telfair here was a premeditative deal. It wasn't OK'd on draft night. Plus, the 76'ers wanted our 7th pick so that they could draft Randy Foye. Only problem is, Kevin McHale was already set on drafting him, so the 7th pick wouldn't even have netted Foye anyways. Either way we look at it, the trade for Iverson was not going to work.
Well, things seemed to have worked out well for Danny (once again, getting a steal in the 1st round with Rondo at 21, and getting Allan Ray for absolutely nothing), and so far, nothing is going Billy King's way.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2006 18:09:19 GMT -5
Getting a pure point guard who has shown flashes of brillance in the nba and he's onkly 21 years is good deal in my book.
Good job for ainge not giving in kings demand for green. You just don't give up players who can score like gg can.
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Post by ferbo on Jul 26, 2006 22:45:13 GMT -5
I'm beginning to wonder if DA is going to pass on making a deal, unless he gets a good one. I think he is loading up with options to tinker with in search for pieces.
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Post by FLCeltsFan on Jul 26, 2006 23:08:26 GMT -5
I am thinking more and more along the lines of the Iverson thing being a big smoke screen. Danny knew he wasn't going to get Foye... He low balled an offer to King knowing he wouldn't take it and got all the rumors going... In the meantime, while all the rumors and news are about Danny wanting Iverson, he is free to go after the player he really wants without all the hoopla. Danny has never in the past tipped his hand or let out who he was after. Even on the day of the Wally trade, he denied it. So why all of a sudden would he be so open about wanting Iverson? Especially when Iverson is the opposite of the type of player that Danny usually goes after. I think Danny is making a play for another player that we don't even suspect. I don't think he will make a trade unless he gets a good deal and a good player... I also think West or Allen and Gomes may be the chips he is looking to trade as they have pretty good trade value and other GMs want them. He brought in Ray and Powe who could fill the spots if they are traded. We can only hope that Pittsnogle was signed to fill the huge hole that trading Scal will leave...
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jul 27, 2006 2:55:17 GMT -5
You are right about Ainge's tactics. Judging by past circumstances, Ainge would deny, up to the very minute the deal is consumated, that he is interested in such a deal. He even says things like its ridiculous to even mention such a trade, or its not going to happen, etc., and then he goes out and does it. In these Iverson talks, he was vocal, and very open, of his interest in dealing for Iverson. He openly revealed his hand, which normally would take leverage away from his side of the table.
Its not like him to do such a thing. He went from one end of the spectrum to the very opposite end. And it should be suspicious to us because Ainge is much smarter than that.
We have become even younger than we were last year, and Ainge continues to add more young players (just signed Pittsnogle yesterday). Something is up, and no one can quite put a finger on his real intentions.
We can look at our roster and see that we could use more veteran help up front. Everywhere else, we seem to have enough depth. We can assume, and hope, that Ainge will make a deal for a quality big man to stabilize our young, but talented, frontcourt.
But who can we expect Ainge to go after?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2006 13:42:05 GMT -5
Seattle Overpay Wilcox (unlikely, think Jerome James) Rashard Lewis (contract year, probably would lose him next year) Ray Allen (massive contract. BUT, the best shooter in the NBA) 3 project centers (Robert Swift or Petro could be available to get a PF in return)
NY Knicks Steve Francis (Good talent. Cheap Price. Cancer) Marbury (Overrvalued. Selfish)
Atlanta Harrington (10 mil per Sign N Trade)
Cleveland Gooden (8-10 mil per sign N Trade) Ilgauskas? (Possibly be traded if Cavs are going to be a running team)
Bucks Magloire ( Contract year. Will be gone next season)
Denver Martin (MASSIVE CONTRACT.) Camby (Big Contract. Injury Prone.)
Odom?
There probably others but I think thats the majority players to look into.
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Post by freshnthehouse on Jul 27, 2006 13:49:03 GMT -5
I'll pass on everyone on that list.
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Post by eja117 on Jul 27, 2006 14:56:32 GMT -5
I'll take Gooden. I'll take Camby if we pay him half as though we only expect him to play half a season and be a backup. I'd take Wilcox for the right price. I'd take magloire if it were as a 7th man and the money were that way I'd rather keep Gomes than get Rashard Lewis. That wouldn't make sense from a money point of view.
I also think there might be some young guys with pword I'd rather get than sign guys like Pittsnogle. Like I would happily send a second rounder to the Cavs for Martynas Andrikevicus. If he did well in summer league I might be willing to send a conditional 2nd rnd pick for Chris Taft. I really think we just have to keep investing in young guys and try to move up in drafts. Like in the next draft maybe we can trade a TA or our pick and Al J to move up several spots. It could make a huge difference to pick at 14 instead of 20. We might even be able to get a team to take a Scala off our hands like that. We have a lot of cheap young talented guys to do that with.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2006 15:38:10 GMT -5
I'll pass on everyone on that list. I think the best option would be to wait until the trading deadline or next summer to see if we got better options to trade for.
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Post by freshnthehouse on Jul 27, 2006 16:29:48 GMT -5
I think the best option would be to wait until the trading deadline or next summer to see if we got better options to trade for. Agreed. Id much rather see what Perk and Al can do in another full season than bring in some B-level big man thatll eat up all their minutes.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2006 18:02:38 GMT -5
And eat up our cap space for the next 4-5 years. I would definitely not be happy to see Gooden or Wilcox come here and they put up 10pts 7 rebs per game for 10 mil per year. Didn't we get rid of Lafrentz? I think Ainge is going to see what the price range is this year. Then he'll look into next season to see where our young guys are at. If they aren't pulling their weight then maybe we'll go after a mid-level PF.
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Post by mev17 on Jul 28, 2006 3:08:18 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind letting the kids grow and seeing how the PG battles work themselves out prior to making any trades. As the season progresses, veterans may become available.
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Post by FLCeltsFan on Jul 28, 2006 9:47:36 GMT -5
I would like to see how this team does with 2 true points running the show. Perk and Al healthy and with another year under their belts and most importantly getting playing time. Perk has developed as he has with very little playing time so far. Last year we had so many injuries that you can't really say what we could have done... Wally, Allen, Pierce, West, Al, Perk ... all injured and out for a portion of the year... Pierce played through it until the end but I believe it affected him... especially at the line. All the kids are going to be better right from the start.
I have this nagging feeling that maybe Danny is going after Marion... Phoenix has said that he may be available for the right price... Danny has been picking up back ups for positions of players who may be trade bait... We need a big... and Danny hasn't mentioned him....
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Post by eja117 on Jul 28, 2006 20:10:32 GMT -5
I think our best shot for having an all star big man this year comes from Perk or Gomes, and one thing I am afraid of is that Perk will be great, but AL J will be aweful, so we'll be a team never good enough to win in the playoffs and never bad enough to get a gret draft pick. It's the second worse place to be after a team that is always good enough to make a run at the playoffs so they are in the late lottery but never good enough to make it to or win anything in the playoffs. That's why I think we have to consider AL J a backup until he beats out Gomes. Or we could trade him, but only if it's for something clearly very good or better like a Bosh. In fact Bosh would be awesome. (I knoooooow we'll never get him). It's just that Bosh and Perk could both become All Stars and then we'd have TWO all star bigs AND quite possibly others and all young. I wonder if we could make a trade for Okur. Kaman would be awesome. Maybe we could get some young guys cheap like A Bynum. i think we need to brace ourselves for AL J never beating out Gomes. Maybe for 3 years or more. Then we let him go. Then he gets good.
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