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Post by sprash98 on Feb 4, 2006 11:56:26 GMT -5
I posted this on RealGm and am re-posting it here.
Next year, I will bet that this WILL NOT happen. I mean, its like that (censored) fate has been so cruel to these guys. I wonder about Pierce though. The 03-04 season was bad but this is worse. I hope he can just play through this season. When SO MANY bad things happn, things will turn around soon. And when it does, the taste of triumph and victory will be twice as sweet.
I know I have been one of those pessimistic people around here, but I nearly cried after Al went down. I realized that some force does not want us to succeed. Its almost like we are up against something we just cant see or fight. These guys dont deserve it. We dont deserve it. But for some unknown reason, things just keep piling up.
This season is over. Time to put it behind us. Every thing that the team has tried has backfired on them badly, for some reason. Let us talk about the off-season more. And please, no Adam Morrison. The last thing we need is another scorer who cant defend nor rebound.
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Post by eja117 on Feb 4, 2006 12:58:43 GMT -5
Derren, is it true Morrison can't defend or rebound? Cause we already have Szerbiak
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2006 13:21:19 GMT -5
Morrison = Wally
There isn't any big difference between the two except Morrison can get his own shot.
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Post by eja117 on Feb 4, 2006 13:41:32 GMT -5
If that's true I'd rather have Mossion since he is younger, cheaper, and bigger
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Feb 5, 2006 2:51:39 GMT -5
I guess this is turning into an Adam Morrison thread ;D
There is some difference between the two, but not enough to say that Morrison is that much better than Wally. He's got better athleticism, better agility, and better mobility--mainly because he's not as bulky as Wally is. He also plays at a quicker pace than Wally and IMO, shows more aggressiveness.
But yes, he's not a defensive presence, nor is he an above average rebounder. Quite frankly, I do like Morrison, but Sprash is right. We should get more defensive before adding more offense.
But I do see good things from our defense. The guys are rotating crisper and getting into position quicker. The only thing is we don't get nearly enough defensive stops because we don't have enough guys who can really shut their man down. Delonte does a solid job. Perkins has been incredible. Tony Allen is a good disruptor and is probably our best perimeter defender. Orien Greene is a physical defender.
But the other 3 starters don't make enough of a difference (Raef, Pierce, Wally). Our starting 5 looked really good offensively tonight (vs. the Magic). They were clicking much better after the 1st quarter. They made a huge run to close the gap from 15 pts all the way down to 2. But they just couldnt' get defensive stops to climb over the hump.
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Post by freshnthehouse on Feb 5, 2006 3:36:32 GMT -5
In the few times Ive seen Morrison, he reminds me of Glenn Robinson in his Purdue days, mostly because they both have great ability getting off there shot, esp. for college players. Hopefully Morrison will give a little more effort in the bigs.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Feb 5, 2006 4:09:48 GMT -5
Oh, from all early indications, Morrison shows much more heart than Glenn Robinson. He's got more fire in his belly and seems hungrier than Robinson (who happened to be my favorite college player back in the day. In high school, my friends and I would pick one college player to root for and see who's player would have the best season. That particular year, Robinson was my guy).
Glen Robinson was considered a soft player. Morrison isn't soft.
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Post by freshnthehouse on Feb 5, 2006 5:02:04 GMT -5
Robinson was out of control in college. A man among boys. He put some decent scoring #s in the pros, but just didnt have the right attitude. Also, he wasnt the most athletic guy on the block.
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Post by The Eye of the Q is upon you! on Feb 5, 2006 13:04:40 GMT -5
I knew it. NBA Comparison - Larry Bird. Adam Morrison era hopefully begins next year in Boston. www.nbadraft.net project us getting JJ Redick. That is all we need seemingly is a Larry Bird reincarnation.
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Post by Ossric on Feb 5, 2006 15:58:39 GMT -5
A Larry reincarnation hey?
I was just thinking, our great white magician, Auerbach always states that you need a center to win championships. That's why he did the Russel deal with Golden State. Now, he may not be the next coming of Russel, but Perk is becoming a pretty similar style of player. An undersized center (which isn't much of an issue in the modern NBA) that rebounds & blocks shots like a madman. If Perkins continues this trend, he'll become quiet the intimidator under the basket. So, Bird2 is always welcome, but a hole in the middle, we are no more.
You can compare our Celtics with a forest. Last year, the forest was much wider & dense. But new seeds didn't get the necessary sunlight to grow in the shadow of the long rotten trees besides them. This year, we cut down all the rubble, cleared the forest of all that is rotten. Yes, the forest isn't as big or dense anymore as last year, hence our record. Now the young seeds benefit from all that open space to get all the sunlight they need to grow into mighty trees. If this analogy is a bit to hard to understand, think of a very badly infected wound. We have just cut out all the rotten flesh so that now healthy flesh can heal the wound properly.
To return to the original topic, if we do land in the draft & get a high pick, i think Ainge is going to use it as part of a bigger deal to land a top player, similar in the way to how Auerbach did in the past. We're probably not going to pick the player that best suits our needs, but the one that is wanted by our trading partner.
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Post by freshnthehouse on Feb 5, 2006 16:09:52 GMT -5
A Larry reincarnation hey? I was just thinking, our great white magician, Auerbach always states that you need a center to win championships. That's why he did the Russel deal with Golden State. Now, he may not be the next coming of Russel, but Perk is becoming a pretty similar style of player. An undersized center (which isn't much of an issue in the modern NBA) that rebounds & blocks shots like a madman. If Perkins continues this trend, he'll become quiet the intimidator under the basket. So, Bird2 is always welcome, but a hole in the middle, we are no more. You can compare our Celtics with a forest. Last year, the forest was much wider & dense. But new seeds didn't get the necessary sunlight to grow in the shadow of the long rotten trees besides them. This year, we cut down all the rubble, cleared the forest of all that is rotten. Yes, the forest isn't as big or dense anymore as last year, hence our record. Now the young seeds benefit from all that open space to get all the sunlight they need to grow into mighty trees. If this analogy is a bit to hard to understand, think of a very badly infected wound. We have just cut out all the rotten flesh so that now healthy flesh can heal the wound properly. To return to the original topic, if we do land in the draft & get a high pick, i think Ainge is going to use it as part of a bigger deal to land a top player, similar in the way to how Auerbach did in the past. We're probably not going to pick the player that best suits our needs, but the one that is wanted by our trading partner. Yeah, this draft really isnt that overwhelming. I just looked at a mock draft, and it looked like a role-player jamboree. However, I always think that this early in the draft. But i def wouldnt mind seeing us flip our high pick into a vet, as long as there is nothing out there that looks intriguing to us.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Feb 5, 2006 19:17:23 GMT -5
Morrison is not the reincarnation of Larry Bird (I know you aren't actually thinking this, Q). He doesn't do nearly enough things that Larry did on a regular basis. For instance, Morrison is not nearly the rebounder Bird was, nor an equal passer. Bird had the awesome intangibles that made him appear to see the game a couple of steps before it happened.
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Post by The Eye of the Q is upon you! on Feb 6, 2006 12:59:38 GMT -5
Morrison is not the reincarnation of Larry Bird (I know you aren't actually thinking this, Q). He doesn't do nearly enough things that Larry did on a regular basis. For instance, Morrison is not nearly the rebounder Bird was, nor an equal passer. Bird had the awesome intangibles that made him appear to see the game a couple of steps before it happened. To be honest - I have to put up with Big 12 garbage out here and the hardworking Missouri Valley Conference. That was an exciting, intense game shown on Saturday AM with Wichita St vs Southern Illinois. Man I got to change to college hoops. Maybe I will get to see Gonzaga play one of these games. The Celtics could end up with the 2nd or 3rd worst record in the league for all we know. It is too bad Greg Oden is not eligible this year to be drafted.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Feb 6, 2006 16:40:42 GMT -5
The Celtics could end up with the 2nd or 3rd worst record in the league for all we know. It is too bad Greg Oden is not eligible this year to be drafted
I know, this kills me. Just our luck, ain't it?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2006 16:49:07 GMT -5
Morrison is not the reincarnation of Larry Bird (I know you aren't actually thinking this, Q). He doesn't do nearly enough things that Larry did on a regular basis. For instance, Morrison is not nearly the rebounder Bird was, nor an equal passer. Bird had the awesome intangibles that made him appear to see the game a couple of steps before it happened. To be honest - I have to put up with Big 12 garbage out here and the hardworking Missouri Valley Conference. That was an exciting, intense game shown on Saturday AM with Wichita St vs Southern Illinois. Man I got to change to college hoops. Maybe I will get to see Gonzaga play one of these games. The Celtics could end up with the 2nd or 3rd worst record in the league for all we know. It is too bad Greg Oden is not eligible this year to be drafted. Even if the rules weren't change, we still probably end up with the 5th pick in the draft even though we had the worst record in the league.
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