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Post by DERRENMATTS on Dec 20, 2020 19:11:16 GMT -5
As much as I try to be Mr. Optimistic, I always come back down on Jaylen Brown. At best he’s a No. 3 on a legit title contending team. Unfortunately, with his athleticism, he should be a 1 or 2, but as is, he is not dynamic enough.
So we are looking for our No. 2 to plug in next to Tatum.
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Post by jmost on Dec 20, 2020 19:57:43 GMT -5
Maybe Kemba being out to start the season will give JB more reason to be assertive offensively. There's really no reason for him not to be. He shoots a higher percentage than anyone who doesn't get most of their points off dunks. They just need to get him the ball in places where he doesn't have to dribble a ton.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Dec 20, 2020 20:29:36 GMT -5
Maybe Kemba being out to start the season will give JB more reason to be assertive offensively. There's really no reason for him not to be. He shoots a higher percentage than anyone who doesn't get most of their points off dunks. They just need to get him the ball in places where he doesn't have to dribble a ton. He’s more of a slippery scorer than he is an assertive scorer. What I mean by that is he scores if the opportunity is there, and even then he needs to use elusiveness to get the bucket. He’s not going to go one on one and consistently win his matchups.
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Post by eja117 on Dec 20, 2020 21:45:28 GMT -5
I think Jaylen is a good scorer. He was 34th in the league last year, but with a very high fg%, which was higher than the 5 players immediately before him. I think he needs to take a step forward still. But if you look at the all star roster Kris Middleton is 29. Jaylen in 24. I agree the search for a 2 or 3 guy is definitely frustrating, but I'm optimistic. I'm hopeful that TT can do a lot of the dirty work. To me Smart and TT can take a ton of pressure off some other guys, and maybe the rookies can too.
The really really sad thing is Kemba's knee. I'm hopeful DA can do something significant with that trade exception.
I used to see the path forward for the Celtics as a team with stars. First it was Horford. Then it was Hayward. Then it was Kyrie. Then it was Kemba. There was supposed to be 3 or 4 all stars. Now I see us as a team more like the Heat. I think that's our path. At least for now.
I'm also optimistic that we might now have a lot of the personnel that we need to play the way Brad wants us to. Shooters that can hit open shots. Defenders. Attackers. I wish we had more inside power but I don't think Theis or R Will hurt us. I can't wait to see TT
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Post by jmost on Dec 20, 2020 21:55:21 GMT -5
It's way too early to have any certainty about this, but I think Nesmith will be a helluva scorer in a few years. He's obviously got NBA 3 pt range, but more than that, he has a great motor, excellent athleticism, and wants to be great, which translates into working hard on his game.
I know everyone wants to win NOW, but for my money our real window won't open for a few years, when JT and JB are in their prime and LeBron is approaching 40. As much as I hate it, the Lakers are going to be hard to beat for the next year or two, or three.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Dec 20, 2020 22:56:46 GMT -5
I'm also optimistic that we might now have a lot of the personnel that we need to play the way Brad wants us to. Bingo. I think the last two drafts have Brad’s fingerprints on them. And I’m encouraged to see what comes out of future drafts.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Dec 20, 2020 23:00:41 GMT -5
Like, I think I’d feel better about trading for Buddy Hield (or if we can sign him as a free agent), and then when the opportunity comes, trade Jaylen and others for Karl Anthony Towns and have a trio of KAT-Tatum-Hield.
Versus waiting for a No. 1 or No. 2 to become available.
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Post by eja117 on Dec 21, 2020 9:53:01 GMT -5
This is me but I see Ainge's hugest mistake to have been drafting Olynk over Giannis.
Since then he has largely made up for that mistake by over drafting
In 2016 he got the best player drafting 3rd.
Then he did it again in 2017. He also got an ok 2nd rounder in Semi
Then in 2018 he picked 27th, but Robert Williams is easily better than the 27th player in that draft.
In 2019 again he seemed to pick players that were at least worth their slot, if not better.
Then this year again I think he outperformed his draft spots
And in terms of bang for the buck you can't complain about Theis.
He managed to keep long term both Jaylen and Tatum. I also think things that happened weren't really his fault and if you believe in the law of averages we have some very good stuff coming our way. Hayward's ankle is not his fault. I don't think Kyrie's mental illness is his fault. I don't think even Kemba's knee is his fault. If these things can happen to us they can happen to other teams.
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Post by freshnthehouse on Dec 21, 2020 12:37:42 GMT -5
Yep missing Giannis stings. and all the rumors said we were the front-runners to get him too. KO was a solid value for a mid first, but man, Giannis woulda made this team unstoppable.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Dec 21, 2020 13:00:56 GMT -5
Yep missing Giannis stings. and all the rumors said we were the front-runners to get him too. KO was a solid value for a mid first, but man, Giannis woulda made this team unstoppable. Not only Ainge, but a whole slew of other GM’s too. But yeah, how could Ainge have missed on Giannis? Was it that hard to see his vast potential? And for Kelly Olynyk (whom I’ve never been much of a fan for)!!
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Dec 21, 2020 15:41:09 GMT -5
Another thing that holds me back from going all in with Jaylen is he is not physical as he could be. He could do more damage by using his body and strength to his advantage.
I think Jaylen has some Dominique Wilkins in him.
If he plays more physical on his drives, drops his shoulder into guys more, I’d have far more confidence in him.
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Post by freshnthehouse on Dec 21, 2020 15:46:44 GMT -5
Yep missing Giannis stings. and all the rumors said we were the front-runners to get him too. KO was a solid value for a mid first, but man, Giannis woulda made this team unstoppable. Not only Ainge, but a whole slew of other GM’s too. But yeah, how could Ainge have missed on Giannis? Was it that hard to see his vast potential? And for Kelly Olynyk (whom I’ve never been much of a fan for)!! I guess credit Milwaukee for taking the chance. I remember realllllly wanting him Giannis or Dennis Schroeder that year. Both would look great in Boston uniform r n. But I also thought Ben McLemore was gonna be really good too lol.
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Post by jmost on Dec 21, 2020 16:32:29 GMT -5
How about this? We draft Giannis in 2013. The we draft Jokic in 2014 (instead of Smart at [HASH]6). Jokic was picked in the second round! Then we add Brown and Tatum in '16 and '17.
Jokic Giannis Tatum Brown any PG who can bring the ball up, hit open 3s and defend a little
That is one big, tall team that can score, rebound and play some D.
Woulda, coulda.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Dec 21, 2020 17:08:52 GMT -5
How about this? We draft Giannis in 2013. The we draft Jokic in 2014 (instead of Smart at [HASH]6). Jokic was picked in the second round! Then we add Brown and Tatum in '16 and '17. Jokic Giannis Tatum Brown any PG who can bring the ball up, hit open 3s and defend a little That is one big, tall team that can score, rebound and play some D. Woulda, coulda. If only ........... oh well. I’ve thought the possibility of going after Jokic near the end of his contract, but DEN is a good team, so he probably isn’t looking to leave. That’s why I shifted over to KAT, cause it’s more likely he asks out of MIN. Make a play for Buddy Hield now, and trade Jaylen for KAT when the opportunity comes up. Tatum KAT Hield That’s heavy artillery right there! All three are excellent shooters from deep, who are also versatile scorers. Surround them with Brad-type role players who execute on both ends of the court and we’re cooking with gravy!
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Post by eja117 on Dec 21, 2020 19:26:00 GMT -5
Yep missing Giannis stings. and all the rumors said we were the front-runners to get him too. KO was a solid value for a mid first, but man, Giannis woulda made this team unstoppable. Not only Ainge, but a whole slew of other GM’s too. But yeah, how could Ainge have missed on Giannis? Was it that hard to see his vast potential? And for Kelly Olynyk (whom I’ve never been much of a fan for)!! He missed Rudy Gobert in that draft too. Also disappointing that in 2016 he picked Gershon and Ante Zizic over Pascal Siakim.
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