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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jan 8, 2006 19:25:23 GMT -5
I'm really feeling that it would help us, as well as ultimately help Delonte, if we had a true floor general in the backcourt along with Delonte. I really like seeing the development of Orien Greene and Delonte in the backcourt together.
Orien needs to be used differently. Doc needs to have him roam the court with the ball more, using picks and screens, to set up players (like Delonte) for open shots.
Has anyone noticed that all our PG's do at the start of the play is hand off the ball to the high post (usually to the big men) and move out of the way? From there, the ball goes to either Pierce or Ricky, and only after the play is broken do the PG's ever get to touch the ball again.
What a waste of Orien's skills. He's such a creative passer, and we need to be using that gift. The only time we get to see his passing ability is on the breaks--and hate to say it, but we don't run the breaks nearly as often as we should be.
IF Orien can develop into our starting PG who's good enough to be starting on a deserving playoff team, I would love to have he and Delonte in the backcourt together, with Orien handling the ball 70% of the time and Delonte taking up the other 30%.
But if this is going to happen, Delonte needs to be more aggressive in taking his shots. He needs to be averaging 13 - 15 ppg. Delonte needs to be the bigger scorer, and Orien needs to be better assist man.
This tandem can potentially be a working combination on a contending team. If we can't land a premier PG, I'd try to focus on developing this scenario.
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Post by Celtic17 on Jan 8, 2006 19:42:40 GMT -5
IF Orien can develop into our starting PG who's good enough to be starting on a deserving playoff team, I would love to have he and Delonte in the backcourt together, with Orien handling the ball 70% of the time and Delonte taking up the other 30%. But if this is going to happen, Delonte needs to be more aggressive in taking his shots. He needs to be averaging 13 - 15 ppg. Delonte needs to be the bigger scorer, and Orien needs to be better assist man. This tandem can potentially be a working combination on a contending team. If we can't land a premier PG, I'd try to focus on developing this scenario. I tend to agree here. I do think OG needs to take his shots as well. I have a feeling the asts will come for them both. Transition ball and making baskets makes for more team assists...
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jan 8, 2006 19:55:09 GMT -5
Both Orien and Delonte have shown the ability to penetrate and finish plays at the basket. I can tell that there's so much more to Orien's penetrating ability that we haven't seen yet. And Delonte has at least a nice lefty layup every game.
Ideally, Orien will develop into the more aggressive penetrator and Delonte will develop into the dangerous perimter shooting PG. Both can handle the ball, both can set up players, but both provide different offensive aspects.
Ideally, Orien averages 6 apg, and Delonte gets 4 apg.
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Post by esco33 on Jan 8, 2006 20:12:47 GMT -5
I was thinking similar to this last night Derren. Our two future point guards should definitely be West and Greene right now.
Greene is a natural point who just needs some experience. I expect bigger things from him next year.
I also expect Delonte to continue improving and I watch for him to really break out next year if he keeps improving as he has.
I expect at least 15 ppg and 6 apg from him next year. I really believe he can put up those numbers.
I like the idea of Delonte sliding to the two at times but not playing there full time. His size is too good of an asset to exploit smaller point guards. I do not see him as the type of full time shooting guard that should be on our team, but to play backup 2 guard with his shooting skills would be great.
Maybe Delonte and Greene can be the point guard combo for years to come?
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jan 8, 2006 21:50:48 GMT -5
Yeah, I really see this, Esco. I can't remember if this came from Delonte's mouth, or if Mike Gorman was stating what Delonte had said, but the gist was that Delonte is scoring more because he's reverting back to his style of play the way he was at St. Joe's. At the beginning of the year, he was trying to strictly be a PG, and this limited his true game. He was purposefully limiting his scoring to try and totally concentrate on moving the ball.
But now that he's looking to score, he's making us more dangerous.
At St. Joe's, this is how he played. He played alongside Jameer Nelson, who was the main PG, and Delonte played the other PG. But his role was also to score, and in his junior year, he averaged 20 ppg. So we know he can score.
He really looked the most natural in that role, as the secondary PG who was a solid scoring option. This is the role I'm beginning to hope he thrives in, while Orien plays the primary PG.
Because Delonte is a smart basketball player, he won't be forcing too many shots, and he's good about feeling the flow of the game.
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Post by esco33 on Jan 9, 2006 17:17:29 GMT -5
On a side note that is pretty funny, I shut off the Wizards game with about 20 seconds to go and missed the "almost game-winner" by Delonte West with 1.9 seconds left, but saw it the next day on the highlights.
I love this kid (sound like Tommy). He seems so calm and collective under pressure, doesn't rattle, and hardly makes mistakes in pressure situations............................ just another mark of a true leader.
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Post by esco33 on Jan 11, 2006 19:06:32 GMT -5
15 pts, 8 rebs, 7 asst @ Atlanta on Wed night. Keep it goin' Delonte!
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jan 11, 2006 22:54:21 GMT -5
And if I remember correctly, 0 turnovers!
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Post by Celtic17 on Jan 11, 2006 23:41:36 GMT -5
See this, ! ! !
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Post by esco33 on Jan 20, 2006 7:31:44 GMT -5
“Even coming in last year there were times I felt things needed to be said and I wanted to say something,” he said. “I thought I knew exactly what we needed to hear, but, you know, the guys that you have around you. . . . You’re looking at players like Gary Payton and Antoine Walker and Paul Pierce — guys you watched as a young guy. You wonder, ‘Should I say something? Am I out of place?’ “But at this point I feel that we’re almost midway through and we’ve been having our ups and downs all season, and things need to be said. We’re trying to win, and I’m a winner, man. I love to win. I hate losing, and I hate seeing things that lead to losing. I’m going to try to say positive things, but at the same time you have to get on people if it’s needed."
This is what Delonte said in the paper today. I told you guys. He will be the leader of this team someday. Maybe him and perk. Delonte has it in him to be a natural leader.
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Post by FLCeltsFan on Jan 20, 2006 8:01:32 GMT -5
It is exciting to see that the kids are speaking up and taking more of a leadership role. The fact that Perk felt confident enough to say something to PP shows that there is a chemistry building and they are getting comfortable with each other. Delonte needs to be a leader on this team. That is one thing that we lack. Pierce is a unique talent and a great player but he isn't now and never has been a vocal leader. Delonte is the natural one to step up and become one. Maybe this last game was the turning point and the whole team sees what happens when West and Perk were more vocal and they will all step it up a little. Sure hope so!!!
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jan 20, 2006 10:45:45 GMT -5
“Perk is a verbal guy for the most part, but Del is not at all. Trying to get Del to call out a play is a task. It really is. He’s just not a verbal human being. For him to do it was huge. At the beginning of the third quarter, he was loud and he didn’t deliver it in a classy way. He delivered it in a great way as far as I was concerned. And I loved it. That could have gone completely the other way.”
And like I said, he's a leader by example, not necessarily a guy who leads vocally. But either way, I'm glad we have a couple of young guys who are willing to step up and be the "veterans" on the team.
Remember that Perk took Jefferson under his wing as a rookie, too. This guy, despite being so young, is willing to take on the role of the big brother/leader type. And if he was willing to speak up to Pierce, a proven star player for many years in this league, he must really be feeling like his words can make an impact.
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Post by esco33 on Jan 20, 2006 10:51:17 GMT -5
And like I said, he's a leader by example, not necessarily a guy who leads vocally. You called it DM. I didn't finish reading that article, but I still really feel that he has it in him to be a vocal guy. Maybe this is a start. Regardless, whether he is a guy who is vocal, or a guy who gets others to follow his example, he is a leader.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jan 20, 2006 11:02:06 GMT -5
Touche' Esco. The future of this team is in good shape with guys like Delonte leading the way. In the past, I questioned whether he would be enough of a PG to make us a champion, and hopefully, a dynasty. But the more he plays and the more comfortable he gets playing his game, the more he reassures me that he can be that PG for us.
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Post by The Eye of the Q is upon you! on Jan 20, 2006 13:01:16 GMT -5
DID YOU SEE PERKINS THE OTHER DAY? - HE HAS BECOME A LEADER TOO.
HE CALLED OUT PIERCE AT HALFTIME WEDNESDAY NIGHT!
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