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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jul 20, 2019 23:12:50 GMT -5
At the end of this upcoming season, Jaylen Brown will be up for a new contract. Depending on this season, we’ll see what his value is going to be.
Let’s say he turns in a season that is basically the same as last season, as far as role and production — should he get paid more than Marcus Smart, who is roughly getting 13 mil per year?
It is arguable that Smart is the more valuable player — he’s regarded as the heart and soul of the team, he’s made All-NBA defensive 1st team, and was recognized with the Hustle Award. In spite of his limitations, he’s being praised league wide for his defensive prosess.
Jaylen’s ceiling is much higher than Smart’s, and he’s only 22 years old.
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Post by eja117 on Jul 21, 2019 8:01:01 GMT -5
Yes unfortunately. Rozier just got like 19 per. Which was ridiculous, but Jaylen should probably get in that ball park at this rate
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Post by jmost on Jul 21, 2019 10:17:42 GMT -5
If Brown has the same season it means he isn't progressing, and that would be worrisome at his age. There's only so long you can pay someone for potential. There are a lot of unknowns now that will be clearer by season's end. Is Gordon back? Has JT taken the next step? Has Romeo showed he belongs? If the answer to all of those is yes, the only reason we pay a non-improving Jaylen is to trade him.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jul 21, 2019 11:00:30 GMT -5
If Brown has the same season it means he isn't progressing, and that would be worrisome at his age. There's only so long you can pay someone for potential. There are a lot of unknowns now that will be clearer by season's end. Is Gordon back? Has JT taken the next step? Has Romeo showed he belongs? If the answer to all of those is yes, the only reason we pay a non-improving Jaylen is to trade him. He has progressed in ways, but not enough because of 2 huge reasons: 1) His handles are still too loose (even though he works so hard on them) 2) He doesn’t appears to have intuition to be a great scorer. Watching Kyrie and Tatum, and even Hayward, they know how to score in a variety of ways, all depending on what the defender is giving them. They have a feel, intuition about how to get good shots off. When Jaylen has a one on one opportunity, it seems like he determines what move he’s going to use and commits to that only — which turns out ugly when his defender shuts off that lane, and he still tries to force it. To me, it seems he’s turning out to be a 3-D guy who has some room to grow as a slasher. I don’t see him turning out to be a top 3 player on our roster when we’re competing for championships.
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Post by runrondo on Jul 21, 2019 12:47:11 GMT -5
It's looking likely that you're right about the 3-D guy, but it's those flashes of focus he shows that give you hope he can be a force on both ends of the court. I still remember that game against Durant/GS where he took over for several minutes and he looked so confident deciding between shooting the 3, driving, and playing some great D. I'm still hoping he can grow on the offensive side like Leonard/Paul George did and become a great player on both ends of the court who can change games. Both Leonard/PG had their coming out season in year 3 which Jaylen kind of regressed in. He obviously won't break out as he's farther down the line in terms of role on this team, but I'd hope for some sign of either consistency or improvement in his scoring ability.
I'm probably being too hopeful as you're right he's pretty pre-determined/clunky on the offensive end and his handles can be really wild. He's probably looking at good money regardless of his performance as someone will like to see if he can flourish in a bigger opportunity/role.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jul 22, 2019 0:58:36 GMT -5
It's looking likely that you're right about the 3-D guy, but it's those flashes of focus he shows that give you hope he can be a force on both ends of the court. I still remember that game against Durant/GS where he took over for several minutes and he looked so confident deciding between shooting the 3, driving, and playing some great D. I'm still hoping he can grow on the offensive side like Leonard/Paul George did and become a great player on both ends of the court who can change games. Both Leonard/PG had their coming out season in year 3 which Jaylen kind of regressed in. He obviously won't break out as he's farther down the line in terms of role on this team, but I'd hope for some sign of either consistency or improvement in his scoring ability. I'm probably being too hopeful as you're right he's pretty pre-determined/clunky on the offensive end and his handles can be really wild. He's probably looking at good money regardless of his performance as someone will like to see if he can flourish in a bigger opportunity/role. I watched some Kawhi highlights from college, and you could see even from those days, he had a clue of what he was doing (a cause and effect — if I do this, my defender is going to do this, so I’m going to do that). Watching Jaylen, in his summer pickup games a couple of weeks ago, I see the same old tendencies — premeditated moves without the ability to make clean adjustments on the fly. What would really help Jaylen tremendously is getting rid of all the fancy dribbling and crossovers, and just using his quick first step to get his front shoulder past his man and powering his way to the basket. He’s shown good ability with this on the baseline. Actually, instead of shake and bake moves, he ought to be watching clips of Jordan using his speed to get into the paint, and there pulling up for a quick jumper or finishing strong at the rim.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jul 22, 2019 4:24:06 GMT -5
With that said, paying Jaylen $14 mil for being a slashing 3-D player isn’t bad.
5 years from now I see Tatum and Langford being the main scoring and facilitating pieces of the team, with Jaylen being that Shane Battier / Andre Iguodala type. I think Grant Williams has a real good chance to be our cerebral starting 4 who makes so many outstanding winning plays that don’t show up on stat sheets.
I just don’t have a good feel for our starting Center. Can’t really say I have confidence in Robert Williams being that guy. Maybe we find that Center in an upcoming draft.
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Post by afceltic on Jul 22, 2019 6:42:57 GMT -5
In today's NBA when guys like Harris and Simmons who are very flawed players get 36M and 34M a year respectively, then Jaylen is worth is about 15M as is. He will be able to earn much more if he breaks out like we hope he does.
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Post by jmost on Jul 22, 2019 6:43:27 GMT -5
"What would really help Jaylen tremendously is getting rid of all the fancy dribbling and crossovers, and just using his quick first step to get his front shoulder past his man and powering his way to the basket. He’s shown good ability with this on the baseline."
Yes, exactly. He overdribbles trying to get himself past his man. That isn't and won't ever be his strength. Maybe a simple one dribble and then quick stop jumper. And then he could build on that with a stop and go move. He doesn't need anything fancier than that.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jul 22, 2019 10:50:46 GMT -5
We ought to he his personal trainers 😁. He’d get the max then 👍
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Post by runrondo on Jul 22, 2019 11:02:41 GMT -5
Sometimes less is more. It's tough to see that when players equate getting more tools to being better instead of refining tools they already have. Be great at something instead of good at everything.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jul 22, 2019 15:32:52 GMT -5
Sometimes less is more. It's tough to see that when players equate getting more tools to being better instead of refining tools they already have. Be great at something instead of good at everything. If we fans can see the obvious, I wonder why coaches don’t tell players to do (or not do) things?
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Post by Roadrunner on Jul 22, 2019 18:32:40 GMT -5
Jaylen will be paid more than Smart next extension. I am fairly certain it will not be a max contract, however similar to Aaron Gordon. That type of contract is based on potential, not actual production.
What frustrates me with Brown is that a couple of plays early on determine his game.
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Post by jmost on Jul 22, 2019 18:39:28 GMT -5
Maybe not having Kyrie around will free him and others up mentally. Kyrie was so outspoken about how great a shooter he was that maybe guys like Jaylen started overthinking taking shots - especially if they missed the first one or two. Even Gordon was hesitant to shoot if he missed his first couple last year.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jul 22, 2019 18:46:59 GMT -5
Maybe not having Kyrie around will free him and others up mentally. Kyrie was so outspoken about how great a shooter he was that maybe guys like Jaylen started overthinking taking shots - especially if they missed the first one or two. Even Gordon was hesitant to shoot if he missed his first couple last year. By that same token, does that mean we’ll see Smart hoisting up lots of 3s again 🧐
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