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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jun 26, 2019 10:53:40 GMT -5
I wholeheartedly agree. My first choice would be to punt this season (as in forget about forcing ourselves to assemble a contending team) to let the young ones play 30 minutes a game for development’s sake.
I mean, getting Kemba and Capela (or Vucevic) doesn’t seem like will put us over the top. Why spend all that money if, in the end, we’re still going to come up short? Might as well do something that will benefit the team in the long run.
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Post by eja117 on Jun 26, 2019 14:10:22 GMT -5
Call me nuts.....I want to go forward with a Smart-Tatum-Jaylen led team.
If I'm Ainge I bring them into the office and say something like "I'm really really sorry for what happened. It's done and over. New plan. You. Smart. You're the new soul of the team. You're the Perk. You're the enforcer. You're the Rudy. You're the guy that hustles so hard on every play that other guys get ashamed of themselves."
Then look at Jayson and Jaylen and be like "You guys are good cop bad cop. Figure out which one is which. But it's your team now."
We need to be the Bucks from 2 or 3 years ago so in 2 or 3 years from now we're them. Home grown. No gimmicks. No saviors.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jun 26, 2019 15:36:52 GMT -5
Yup, agree E. Of the scenarios that are being tossed up, going with Hayward-Tatum-Jaylen-Smart is the only one that gives me good vibes. I like Hayward in there cause he’s got a lot he can teach and offer to Tatum, Jaylen and Romeo.
Tatum, if he’s the real deal, will thrive in this scenario.
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Post by afceltic on Jun 26, 2019 15:48:14 GMT -5
We still need some big guys and now Capela (along with Tucker and Gordon) can be had for just draft picks as Houston is getting desperate to try to open up space to try to trade for Butler. Even if we sign someone Gordon only has two years left on his contract so we will still have money to sign our guys if they pan out like we hope they do. That gives us options down the road too. I don't see Danny punting on any season unless like he did after trading Paul and KG. I expect him to sign some guys to keep Boston a contender in the East. What about trying to get Brodgon from the Bucks? He is a RFA but they are strapped and have to sign Middelton too and he was a 50/40/90 guy last year and only made 1.5M. So 10-14M should put him out of the Bucks reach and still allow us to give Vuevic the 20M a year contract. Get Capela for draft picks other than the Memphis one and we are in pretty good shape. It would also keep Fl happy since we would be keeping Smart as our 6th man. www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/27061860/rockets-shop-capela-gordon-space
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jun 26, 2019 17:31:02 GMT -5
I don’t mind trading for Capela cause he won’t take the ball away from Tatum — just wondering what we’ll have to give up for him.
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Post by Roadrunner on Jun 26, 2019 18:15:44 GMT -5
I don’t mind trading for Capela cause he won’t take the ball away from Tatum — just wondering what we’ll have to give up for him. A first round selection. HOU is trying to obtain a selection with cap space to sign & trade for Butler (rumor).
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jun 26, 2019 19:08:32 GMT -5
Capela is worth a lottey draft pick.
Or, if Ainge is confident that Jaylen will NOT meet expectations, I’d move him now before he’s up for a contract extension next summer. Move Jaylen for Capela?
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Post by jmost on Jun 26, 2019 19:31:41 GMT -5
I'd be hesitant to make that trade. Jaylen showed a ton of promise in the 2018 playoff run. His progress was stifled by Kyrie's ball dominant play last year, but I think he has the potential to be really good. Better than Capela IMO.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jun 26, 2019 21:11:46 GMT -5
I'd be hesitant to make that trade. Jaylen showed a ton of promise in the 2018 playoff run. His progress was stifled by Kyrie's ball dominant play last year, but I think he has the potential to be really good. Better than Capela IMO. And that’s the difficult job of forecasting a player’s development. Keep Jaylen if you think he’s going to be of greater value than Capela, trade him if you don’t. I do think Jaylen has promise, but I think he’ll come short of being an All-Star caliber player. Is he going to be worth his big pay increase next summer? What happens if Langford lights it up?
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Post by eja117 on Jun 26, 2019 21:25:14 GMT -5
Clint Capela is only 25. Jaylen is 22. Jaylen regressed a bit last year and I don't think you can blame it all on Kyrie. It's tempting to fall in love with Jaylen, but when Capela could be had I think you have to take that. You're talking about a player who is already top 8 at his spot vs a player with a lot of "potential"
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Post by eja117 on Jun 26, 2019 21:28:08 GMT -5
We have another problem. If the team hands over the reigns to Jaylen and Tatum and Jaylen regresses or goes sideways.......that could be really really bad. If you're trying to tell the whole world these young guys are our future....and then suddenly the future only looks so/so .....that's a big problem.
Jaylen's trade value will tank. The Celtics as a destination will tank. It's just a problem. If you can get Clint for Jaylen you have to. Clint isn't thaaaattt much worse that Anthony Davis and considering how much Anthony Davis is always hurt I think Capela is actually better.
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Post by afceltic on Jun 26, 2019 21:40:33 GMT -5
Houston doesn't want players for Capela, just picks. I see Tatum and Brown as untradeable now unless you are getting a top 5-10 player in the league and no more of them are available. As much as people want to put Smart in the core to which I strongly disagree with that thought, he is the expendable one with a very tradeable contract.
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Post by eja117 on Jun 26, 2019 22:07:10 GMT -5
Houston doesn't want players for Capela, just picks. I see Tatum and Brown as untradeable now unless you are getting a top 5-10 player in the league and no more of them are available. As much as people want to put Smart in the core to which I strongly disagree with that thought, he is the expendable one with a very tradeable contract. Can you trade an $18mill player for just picks? I think in our case you can because we are so under the cap. I suppose maybe we could just tack on a guy or two not making much money like Gershon and Semi.
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Post by eja117 on Jun 26, 2019 22:14:49 GMT -5
This is the thing to me.....Capela only costs 18mill per for the next 4 years. That leaves us another 6 or 7 to sign someone better than the mid level. If you get Kemba or Vuc you need to use all 25mill of our space.
I also feel like between Smart, Carsen, Tremont, and maybe a minimum level guy we can weather the storm at point, but if we bring in Kemba all we have for bigs is Time Lord, Grant Williams, Semi, and probably Theis. And Gershon. And presumably a mid level guy. That strikes me as really bad.
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Post by afceltic on Jun 26, 2019 22:19:21 GMT -5
We will have 34M to work with once we renounce the rights to Rozier and Theis
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