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Post by DERRENMATTS on Mar 15, 2015 2:23:19 GMT -5
I'm not fond of Evan Turner playing the Point Forward. Just because he can dribble it and sometimes make good passes doesn't mean he should orchestrate the offense as a starter. He really holds onto the ball too long and the offense stagnates when he's running the show.
What a difference when Pressey came in -- instantly the tempo sped up, the ball moved, and the offense flowed (was a thing of beauty).
Pressey should be the backup Point.
If ET is going to remain a Celtic, I hope the plan is to make him a bench guy because he'll be a mismatch against other teams' backups.
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Post by FLCeltsFan on Mar 15, 2015 8:06:53 GMT -5
I agree 100% Pressey impresses every time he gets a chance to play, even when he has been sitting for games at a time. Turner, not so much as PG. He's kind of like Jeff Green in the sense that he will have a great game once in a while and then struggle for several in between.
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Post by nateval on Mar 15, 2015 8:19:46 GMT -5
Pressey has been good there is not doubt about it. Last night he definitely looked like the quickest guy on the court. IT is the backup PG Smart is the starter......that's where we run into the problem. Unfortunately Smart really hasn't shown the can run the PG position. I love everything Smart brings, if there was a redraft I would only POSSIBLY consider Nurkic instead of Smart but I just haven't seen the PG skills I had hoped for from Smart. The reason you need ET in the starting unit is the Celtic's play both AB and Smart in the backcourt, both don't have real PG skills. I still have hope Smart can develop into a PG but the Celtics aren't really giving him the opportunities. Yes he's listed as the starter but ET is running the point.
I'm still happy we drafted Smart but I would be lying to you if I didn't say I had higher hopes for him offensively as well as having better PG skills.
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Post by eja117 on Mar 15, 2015 8:39:39 GMT -5
I agree with a lot in this thread. I'm not sure Pressey has a long term spot in this league, but he has some skills and abilities. For an undrafted guy he's pretty good. ET is definitely not a point. Smart's point skills leave a lot to be desired. AB is even worse at running point. This is why I love the three headed monster of Smart, AB, and IT with ET coming off the bench. People on this team look for each other which is a huge help. They move around. The only issue I'm having is a few of these guys are too quick to shoot. Avery is one.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Mar 15, 2015 19:15:25 GMT -5
Smart is not a playmaker (can't create his own offense or for others). Not really a PG. Bradley has even less PG skills.
Isaiah Thomas is a playmaker (for himself and others), and I think it's only a matter of time he becomes the starting PG. Question will be whether Smart or AB starts at the 2.
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Post by nateval on Mar 15, 2015 20:00:35 GMT -5
Maybe you start Crowder instead of ET and you let Smart sink or swim running the point. Celtics drafted Smart as there PG of the future they have to at least try to develop him there.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Mar 15, 2015 20:04:47 GMT -5
That wouldn't work because there won't be anyone who can create offense. I don't like Turner running the show, but if the starting lineup is AB, Smart and Chowdah, then the offense is going to look bleak. At least ET can dribble penetrate a little bit.
But if it's Isaiah, Smart and Chowdah, that would work better cause IT can create for himself and others.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Mar 15, 2015 20:10:11 GMT -5
Also, I think the Smart experiment at Point will fizzle out at some point. Maybe he can be used as a secondary ball handler with IT in the backcourt, but not as a full time lead PG. His handles are not strong, no creativity, little dribble penetration, and suspect court vision and passing ability.
As a rookie, the only reason he's getting playing is because of his defense and improving 3 point shot (and leadership). Going forward into Year 2 and 3, he's got to develop actual PG skills.
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Post by nateval on Mar 15, 2015 20:17:14 GMT -5
I don't think Smart has really got a fair shot to run the point yet. We drafted him [HASH]6 overall I just can't see not giving him a real look their.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Mar 15, 2015 20:56:15 GMT -5
To be honest, I questioned his
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Mar 15, 2015 20:59:50 GMT -5
To be honest, I questioned his PG skills in college -- it's been an even bigger question mark in the NBA.
But it might not be that big of a deal in Brad's offense. CBS' system is about all guys on the court moving the ball.
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Post by mev17 on Mar 19, 2015 23:26:07 GMT -5
The Bulls won without a "real" point guard, and the Lakers won with Harper playing along side Kobe (again, no 'true' point guard). If we move the ball well and move well without the ball, we might be versatile enough with our lineup to get by without a classic PG running the show.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Mar 24, 2015 21:03:00 GMT -5
Yeah, a PG who can create shots for teammates is not necessary, granted there are enough of others guys who can find ways to score when needed (ala Jordan for the Bulls and Kobe for the Lakers).
I think we've seen how much better the offense can be when IT is on the floor. The floor spacing becomes better, three point shooters get better looks, and there's more points in the paint opportunities, because IT is a guy who can create and penetrate.
Not saying Smart isn't a starter, but maybe it'll be better for the team to have him and another ball handler starting in the backcourt, preferably a guy who is a good dribble penetrator who teams have to defend the paint against.
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